Newbie 1625: American Spring - Day 5 (DL - 08/31)

User avatar
Bulbazoor
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3672
Joined: May 13, 2015

Post Post #275 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:33 am

Post by Bulbazoor »

In post 270, JoramvanVugt wrote:UNVOTE: Thespio
VOTE: Stoz

Ill jump on the bandwaggon

And please cop invest me tonight and you will find out that im actually town

Town says this. Why would maf say this unless it is an attempt to appeal, which i doubt it is.
User avatar
notscience
notscience
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
notscience
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 23082
Joined: March 25, 2013
Location: Haven Springs

Post Post #276 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:35 am

Post by notscience »

Because mafia either has a RB/Goon or 2 goons.

RB/goon has a 50% chance of having a cop versus a 25% chance with goon/goon.

It looks like his team is rb/goon and he;s assuming there's a cop.

So
Show
STRIKE HARD

STRIKE FAST

NO MERCY
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #277 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:37 am

Post by Thespio »

In post 274, notscience wrote:You attract more flies with honey, Thespio.

what?? in reference to what?
User avatar
notscience
notscience
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
notscience
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 23082
Joined: March 25, 2013
Location: Haven Springs

Post Post #278 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:38 am

Post by notscience »

The whole "told you so" thing.
Show
STRIKE HARD

STRIKE FAST

NO MERCY
User avatar
fferyllt
fferyllt
Titan of Trajectory
User avatar
User avatar
fferyllt
Titan of Trajectory
Titan of Trajectory
Posts: 20512
Joined: December 28, 2012
Location: Left Coast

Post Post #279 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:40 am

Post by fferyllt »

Vote Count 1.11
MEAN TWEETS


Image

Image



stoz
(4): Bulbazoor, notscience, Thespio, JoramvanVugt
JoramvanVugt
(2): StubbsKVM, Akuseru
Thespio
(1): HenryCabotLodge
StubbsKVM
(1): Micc

Not Voting
(1): stoz


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: July 19, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-07-18 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- :]
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.

Idic
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #280 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:42 am

Post by Thespio »

In post 276, notscience wrote:Because mafia either has a RB/Goon or 2 goons.

RB/goon has a 50% chance of having a cop versus a 25% chance with goon/goon.

It looks like his team is rb/goon and he;s assuming there's a cop.

So

Omgoat, this is genius! If we get scum on him then its likely that we will be dealing with a RB, and if we are we also have a doc or 1 shot BP townie.
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3672
Joined: May 13, 2015

Post Post #281 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:44 am

Post by Bulbazoor »

We need someone to state intent to hammer first.
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #282 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:44 am

Post by Thespio »

he wasnt hammered, i suggest we deal with joram then VOTE: Joram, off to lunch cya in 15mins.
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3672
Joined: May 13, 2015

Post Post #283 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:47 am

Post by Bulbazoor »

Joram is town.
User avatar
notscience
notscience
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
notscience
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 23082
Joined: March 25, 2013
Location: Haven Springs

Post Post #284 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:51 am

Post by notscience »

Nah, we're lynching stoz.

But I wanted that out there now.
Show
STRIKE HARD

STRIKE FAST

NO MERCY
User avatar
Akuseru
Akuseru
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Akuseru
Goon
Goon
Posts: 144
Joined: June 29, 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada

Post Post #285 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:00 am

Post by Akuseru »

In post 268, Bulbazoor wrote:I still like the stoz lynch. He is not doing anything to change my stance and then he proceeds to joke about it?


Yeah, his response doesn't sit well with me either. I noticed he didn't place any votes, just threw in his preference to lynch. My thinking might probably be skewed a bit because I think stoz and Joram are scum buddies, but I see that post as an attempt to distance himself from Joram in the case he get's lynched. And now with Joram abruptly switching his vote to stoz...yeah, scum buddies.


I don't mind lynching stoz over joram today.

However, I would like to post something else (had to get an okay from mod before to make sure I won't be breaking any rules). So if you guys can hold off hammering until I post that would be great. Should be done in 10 mins or less.
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #286 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:10 am

Post by Thespio »

I hate swapping my vote this much, So if we are offing stoz for his bad gameplay lets do it, Aku you can hammer. VOTE: Stoz

Also Jorams slip might just be newbieness...
User avatar
Akuseru
Akuseru
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Akuseru
Goon
Goon
Posts: 144
Joined: June 29, 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada

Post Post #287 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:19 am

Post by Akuseru »

I was going over Joram's past posts to see if he had any finished games here on mafiascum (however, note that american spring is his FIRST game on MS). I found one marathon game on MS http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=62457.

In this game he mentions he's played mafia before (I'm assuming this is the first one) on another site and mentions the name here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7010827

I looked it up and I'm pretty confident it's the game he mentioned and he indeed played in it with the same username (game is over so I'll post links): https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-maf ... er.347536/


In american spring, Joram acts almost helpless and uses the excuse of being new for his play.

In the hypixel game, Joram is a lot more active (he's playing SK in that one).

Here are some specific day 1 posts from that hypixel game:

https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-maf ... st-3889352

https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-maf ... st-3891091

https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-maf ... st-3891569

https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-maf ... st-3892126

https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-maf ... st-3892215


What do you guys think? I still think stoz is scum as well, but I feel like Joram has been lying when he hinted at being too new.
JoramvanVugt
JoramvanVugt
Goon
JoramvanVugt
Goon
Goon
Posts: 188
Joined: June 30, 2015

Post Post #288 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:21 am

Post by JoramvanVugt »

Why does that post bug you?

If someone investigates me they will see im town. this game is a newbie game i dont think there is a role that will appear as town while actually being scum right?
User avatar
Akuseru
Akuseru
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Akuseru
Goon
Goon
Posts: 144
Joined: June 29, 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada

Post Post #289 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:22 am

Post by Akuseru »

In post 286, Thespio wrote:I hate swapping my vote this much, So if we are offing stoz for his bad gameplay lets do it, Aku you can hammer.


Why are you in such a hurry to hammer? There are 2 days left.
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #290 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:31 am

Post by Thespio »

In post 289, Akuseru wrote:
In post 286, Thespio wrote:I hate swapping my vote this much, So if we are offing stoz for his bad gameplay lets do it, Aku you can hammer.


Why are you in such a hurry to hammer? There are 2 days left.


Im not, i just dont like swapping my vote so much, im split between the two of them, and I agree Joram seems to be acting like he is too new to understand anything...
User avatar
Akuseru
Akuseru
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Akuseru
Goon
Goon
Posts: 144
Joined: June 29, 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada

Post Post #291 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:36 am

Post by Akuseru »

You can keep your vote on one person and have your FoS on another, thespio. The only reason I switched my vote was because I was worried you guys would hammer and I still wanted to hear from Joram before we go into night.
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #292 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:46 am

Post by Thespio »

Oh, Joram would have hammered, that ok then, but remember i initially was pushing for his lynch. your swap made me think that you were joining and hadn't seen my switch. Sorp
JoramvanVugt
JoramvanVugt
Goon
JoramvanVugt
Goon
Goon
Posts: 188
Joined: June 30, 2015

Post Post #293 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:50 am

Post by JoramvanVugt »

Okay can one of you explain why you think im not town?
Im new to this site but i still understand the game and in my opinion i havent done anything that would make me show up as mafia?

Im not trying to act like im super newbie and dont understand the game but im not gonna watch this thread 24 hours a day like it seems some of you do. [REDACTED]


info about an ongoing game has been redacted. ~f
Last edited by fferyllt on Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Bulbazoor
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3672
Joined: May 13, 2015

Post Post #294 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:51 am

Post by Bulbazoor »

If you want to havefun join a game in another queue
User avatar
HenryCabotLodge
HenryCabotLodge
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
HenryCabotLodge
Goon
Goon
Posts: 159
Joined: March 14, 2015
Location: Townietown

Post Post #295 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:52 am

Post by HenryCabotLodge »

In post 259, stoz wrote:
In post 251, notscience wrote:
In post 247, stoz wrote:Is "broken wifi" all it takes to get a free pass around here?


If I don't have a computer to post on I don't have a computer to post on.

So, complain if you want, but I don't understand why you're complaining if you aren't scumreading me.


I'm not complaining at you, I was questioning HCL. HCL was concerned with both of us, but was willing to give you a free pass because you posted that your wifi was out. We've all got plenty of things going on in real life.

In post 253, HenryCabotLodge wrote:
I don't like your defending your development of reads based primarily on activity. Somebody can be active and "passionate" and still be full of crap. Using activity as your litmus test of townieness leads to wishy washy reads, another list of which you've posted here.


I haven't posted a second set of reads. What you quoted above was my response to Akuseru's criticism.

The longer someone pursues something passionately, the harder it is for them (and the more opportunity to slip up), which weeds out bad scum players (increasing the likelihood they are town). So either you and Thespio are town or godly scum (and I don't think you're godly scum).

HCL, what is the alternative to base your reads on at this stage of the game?


I try to figure out people's motivation for posting things. More concretely, I look for inconsistency in logic, nonsensical arguments and votes, and try to see if somebody has a specific voting pattern. Amount of activity does figure into it to a degree, but I don't automatically associate an active player with being pro-town, nor do I see a lurky player as scummy by default. It all depends on the content of their posts. If a player who lurks just pops in from time to time and doesn't post anything substantial I find that scummy, which is what I'm seeing from you.

In post 261, notscience wrote:VOTE: stoz

Choo choo


In post 284, notscience wrote:Nah, we're lynching stoz.

But I wanted that out there now.


You seem eager to lynch Stoz. I think he's scummy myself, but I don't see you explicitly state reasons other than that you scumread him (which can easily be deduced). We have two days to deadline, why rush into this?

In post 283, Bulbazoor wrote:Joram is town.


Why is Joram town?

In post 268, Bulbazoor wrote:I still like the stoz lynch. He is not doing anything to change my stance and then he proceeds to joke about it?


That stuck out to me as strange too. Looked like scum being resigned to the fact that he'd been caught. You'd think town would put up more of a defense.

Before I buy my ticket to the Stoz train, I just want to clarify a couple things. The case on Stoz mostly stems from his lurker behavior and lack of content in posts. I agree that this makes him scummy. But could the same logic be applied to notscience who has played in a similar manner (after having a strong start)? His haste in voting Stoz irked me a bit and he posted a list of townreads (something which many players, notscience included, criticized Stoz for) that didn't even contain any explanation of why he townread or scumread anybody. I don't mind a Stoz lynch, I just don't want to rush into it.
User avatar
Akuseru
Akuseru
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Akuseru
Goon
Goon
Posts: 144
Joined: June 29, 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada

Post Post #296 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:13 am

Post by Akuseru »

In post 295, HenryCabotLodge wrote:But could the same logic be applied to notscience who has played in a similar manner


Not really. notscience does post content. He gets town points in my books for pointing out Joram's cop bait/call out. I'm still wary of players like him though. Still can't read him o.o
User avatar
fferyllt
fferyllt
Titan of Trajectory
User avatar
User avatar
fferyllt
Titan of Trajectory
Titan of Trajectory
Posts: 20512
Joined: December 28, 2012
Location: Left Coast

Post Post #297 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:18 am

Post by fferyllt »

Don't discuss ongoing games. This is a site-wide rule: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30909

off-site games that are in progress are covered by this rule.

Thanks!

Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.

Idic
User avatar
Thespio
Thespio
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Thespio
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1669
Joined: June 3, 2015

Post Post #298 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:28 am

Post by Thespio »

Dang I was hoping you would mod kill him so you couldnt say no mod kills ever :P
User avatar
notscience
notscience
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
notscience
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 23082
Joined: March 25, 2013
Location: Haven Springs

Post Post #299 (ISO) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:57 am

Post by notscience »

In post 295, HenryCabotLodge wrote:You seem eager to lynch Stoz. I think he's scummy myself, but I don't see you explicitly state reasons other than that you scumread him (which can easily be deduced). We have two days to deadline, why rush into this?


Because I don't want a last second deadline flashwagon?
In post 296, Akuseru wrote:
In post 295, HenryCabotLodge wrote:But could the same logic be applied to notscience who has played in a similar manner


Not really. notscience does post content. He gets town points in my books for pointing out Joram's cop bait/call out. I'm still wary of players like him though. Still can't read him o.o


I'm a special snowflake
Show
STRIKE HARD

STRIKE FAST

NO MERCY

Return to “Completed Newbie Games”