Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[StubbsKVM]

VOTE: Woody Woodpecker

Hi everybody!

Khan can be town.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: Woody Woodpecker

Hi everybody!

Khan can be town.

I'll say this often.

Why?

[Shazam]

Yes, but 3 votes had already been placed on Implosion. I think he should have been trying to find another possible scum at that point.

Scummiest thing yet. Not only are you wrong about how many votes were on implosion, but what townie would suggest that we need to find two scum before putting pressure on one? Definitely seeing a Mario/Implosion team as a possibility.

If spawn was the 3rd vote, then I retract what I said
3 is not actually bad and we can keep this on Implosion.
And I was thinking that we already had 4 votes on Implosion. What's more, it is good to have pressure on more than one player, as otherwise if we're wrong we have nothing to fall on. And I don't like how you said that being wrong is scummy.

Being wrong in a way that diverts attention from someone else is scummy. But only if that someone else is scum themselves. Hence no vote on you.

I like Kublai's reasoning. VOTE: GrayFoxxxx

[WoodyWoodpecker]

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
Scum found.

And how do you know this?

His vote was deliberately not random.

And that makes him scum because...?

Think about it. Random voting is done to elicit some reactions and voting is done based on what reactions seem dishonest. GrayFoxxxx's vote was the opposite. He votes in a way that says "hey, don't be upset, I'm just random voting because I have to. Don't take it personally, the choice is out of my hands."

He's not looking to generate a reaction. He's looking to avoid one.

Therefore scum.

You missed my post obviously cause I pointed out he wasn't the only one, I don't even think he was the first to vote without a random reason so why is he scum and not the others?

[MarioManiac4]

This idea that we need multiple suspects is awfully strange.

Hi, have you played mafia before?

Yes. Something the timing seems strange, especially since he is still voting for Implosion.

You seem to be unable to realise someone can have more than one scumread. In this setup, there is likely three mafia. I don't see why I can't suspect more than one person.

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

Yeah I
Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

VOTE: implosion

I don't paticularly like this vote from Dragonspawn. It seems rather oppurtunistic with a wagon on Implosion starting.

What makes you think dragonspawn's vote was opportunistic? He gave a fine reason for it, I think. Further, why are you voting Implosion when the first suspicion you have is towards dragonspawn?

Is that RVS?
If not, then since when have we only had one suspect on D1?
We do not have to lynch every suspect.

I think we're better off focusing on one at a time. It creates more pressure and keeps the town from becoming splintered. However, I am not necessarily opposed to having multiple suspects at a time. What you specifically suggested seemed suspicious to me so I am investigating you.[/quote]

If everyone agrees on one person, that's a bad sign, as that means mafia are content with the lynch.
We are better off with everyone grilling their scumread, like you are doing with me right now.

[GrayFoxxxx]

He votes in a way that says "hey, don't be upset, I'm just random voting because I have to. Don't take it personally, the choice is out of my hands."

He's not looking to generate a reaction. He's looking to avoid one.

Therefore scum.

No, you say that, not my vote.

Also, there are better ways to avoid reactions. Your analysis is false.

[Shazam]

If everyone agrees on one person, that's a bad sign, as that means mafia are content with the lynch.
We are better off with everyone grilling their scumread, like you are doing with me right now.

So you're admitting that town gains information if we all agree on one person. But you also don't want us to do it.

[FA_Q2]

This idea that we need multiple suspects is awfully strange.

Hi, have you played mafia before?

Yes. Something the timing seems strange, especially since he is still voting for Implosion.

You seem to be unable to realise someone can have more than one scumread. In this setup, there is likely three mafia. I don't see why I can't suspect more than one person.

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

Yeah I
Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

VOTE: implosion

I don't paticularly like this vote from Dragonspawn. It seems rather oppurtunistic with a wagon on Implosion starting.

What makes you think dragonspawn's vote was opportunistic? He gave a fine reason for it, I think. Further, why are you voting Implosion when the first suspicion you have is towards dragonspawn?

Is that RVS?
If not, then since when have we only had one suspect on D1?
We do not have to lynch every suspect.

I think we're better off focusing on one at a time. It creates more pressure and keeps the town from becoming splintered. However, I am not necessarily opposed to having multiple suspects at a time. What you specifically suggested seemed suspicious to me so I am investigating you.

If everyone agrees on one person, that's a bad sign, as that means mafia are content with the lynch.
We are better off with everyone grilling their scumread, like you are doing with me right now.[/quote]
And yet your vote remains on the target of the one that you are scum reading...

You are doing a bit of damage control and essentially nothing else.

[dragonspawn]

This idea that we need multiple suspects is awfully strange.

Hi, have you played mafia before?

Yes. Something the timing seems strange, especially since he is still voting for Implosion.

You seem to be unable to realise someone can have more than one scumread. In this setup, there is likely three mafia. I don't see why I can't suspect more than one person.

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

Yeah I
Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

VOTE: implosion

I don't paticularly like this vote from Dragonspawn. It seems rather oppurtunistic with a wagon on Implosion starting.

What makes you think dragonspawn's vote was opportunistic? He gave a fine reason for it, I think. Further, why are you voting Implosion when the first suspicion you have is towards dragonspawn?

Is that RVS?
If not, then since when have we only had one suspect on D1?
We do not have to lynch every suspect.

I think we're better off focusing on one at a time. It creates more pressure and keeps the town from becoming splintered. However, I am not necessarily opposed to having multiple suspects at a time. What you specifically suggested seemed suspicious to me so I am investigating you.

If everyone agrees on one person, that's a bad sign, as that means mafia are content with the lynch.
We are better off with everyone grilling their scumread, like you are doing with me right now.[/quote]


Where I everyone agreeing with lynching anyone at this point?

[dragonspawn]

Is not I.

[Boonskiies]

FoS: Wackpecker

I actually like my RVS vote on Mario, and not only because I may hold a bias grudge. His few posts already seemed to come from his scum thought process from last game. Pointless fluff, targeting an easy target. He'll probably attempt an obvious bus soon, but not follow through with it at all.

[Necessary Evil]

MarioManiac4: You didn't answer my question. Why are you voting Implosion and not dragonspawn when dragonspawn was your first real suspicion and you believe there should be fewer votes on Implosion?

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
Scum found.

And how do you know this?

His vote was deliberately not random.

And that makes him scum because...?

Think about it. Random voting is done to elicit some reactions and voting is done based on what reactions seem dishonest. GrayFoxxxx's vote was the opposite. He votes in a way that says "hey, don't be upset, I'm just random voting because I have to. Don't take it personally, the choice is out of my hands."

He's not looking to generate a reaction. He's looking to avoid one.

Therefore scum.

I actually really like this.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

FoS: Wackpecker

[implosion]

RVS literally requires no reason and D1 requires only a weak one.

Yeah I Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

Switching from a singleton vote to another person with no votes on them seems rather pointless when the aim is to get the game moving and start seeing how people react to votes. I wanted to vote for GrayFoxxxx, but there wasn't much point in it and I didn't particularly like any other votes I saw.

My reasoning is similar to Khan's. Overjustified RVS votes are scummy, although this was a minor case.

Another miscellaneous thing: Khan's vote/reasoning is not a towntell. Reasoning is reasoning, it's the kind of thing that will be done as either town or scum.

Also, there are better ways to avoid reactions. Your analysis is false.

For me at least, it's not about actively avoiding reactions. It's more of a subconscious thing.

[GrayFoxxxx]

For me at least, it's not about actively avoiding reactions. It's more of a subconscious thing.

You subconsciously think I'm scum?

[implosion]

For me at least, it's not about actively avoiding reactions. It's more of a subconscious thing.

You subconsciously think I'm scum?

No, I'm saying that scum will subconsciously do things like overjustifying RVS votes because they want to avoid being conspicuous. Hence there being other ways to avoid reactions is irrelevant. But I also somewhat like post 80, so.

Unvote

VOTE: Necessary Evil
Necessary Evil voted for Mario for doing something "strange", without equating strange with scummy. When questioned on it he once again called it strange. I'd like a better explanation of why strange in this case equates to scummy.

Good candidates for town so far are dragonspawn and Woody, and maybe Shazam. Boonskiies also might be scum.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I actually really like this.

Why?

And again since nobody else is addressing it, why is it bad that he did it but not anyone else? Shazam didn't rvs vote.

Plus I've seen town vote using random.org and even tilling dice before, not using a rvs isn't really that scummy. Usually it's scum who try to twist the situation...

[GrayFoxxxx]

For me at least, it's not about actively avoiding reactions. It's more of a subconscious thing.

You subconsciously think I'm scum?

No, I'm saying that scum will subconsciously do things like overjustifying RVS votes because they want to avoid being conspicuous. Hence there being other ways to avoid reactions is irrelevant.

I see what you meant now. The subject of ways to get reactions is relevant. It was part of his reasoning. But w.e semantics aside.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I actually really like this.

Why?

And again since nobody else is addressing it, why is it bad that he did it but not anyone else? Shazam didn't rvs vote.

Plus I've seen town vote using random.org and even tilling dice before, not using a rvs isn't really that scummy. Usually it's scum who try to twist the situation...

Maybe because my vote is on him. Sort of a slight OMGUS?

I feel like Kublai isn't 100 percent in his vote and is just utilizing it. Maybe not idk. But implosion seems more scummy for just sheeping him.

[implosion]

I wasn't sheeping KK, I just didn't have enough of an inclination to vote for you before I saw that it would make a wagon. Obviously I could be lying about that if I'm scum but that would be a bit silly, no?

[Boonskiies]

I don't really feel the need to explain why I liked a post? It's pretty self-explanatory if you read his post.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I don't really feel the need to explain why I liked a post? It's pretty self-explanatory if you read his post.

When its not even accurate, yeah you sort of do

[GrayFoxxxx]

I wasn't sheeping KK, I just didn't have enough of an inclination to vote for you before I saw that it would make a wagon.

But you said

I wanted to vote for GrayFoxxxx.

My reasoning is similar to Khan's.

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

So you did or didn't want to vote me before Kahn did? Youre flip flopping.

[Boonskiies]

I don't really feel the need to explain why I liked a post? It's pretty self-explanatory if you read his post.

When its not even accurate, yeah you sort of do

eh, it's accurate. I don't care enough to explain it, to be honest. it was just one post. Usually when someone just says "I like this post", it means they agree with what was said. Have some common sense.