Nightingale's Tale - [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

ok, i have an odd question, does anyone here doubt that if NS neighborized someone, then he must have vanillaized the person as well?

that seems most likely given the wording of the role

The next logical question to ask is, "Does anyone doubt that katsuki would be a rational actor in this game?"

well, presumably cupcake would have got a negative result if he investigated brian (except N1), which doesn't say much at all if the neighbourhood ability only lasted a single night like brian claims

besides which, if you type irrational into google, it says "

Did you mean:

Katsuki

?"

[SXTLHGaiden]

but do you think that he would have double checked the night ns was lynched?
he might given the nature of the neighborhood
Also, his role was "Named Neighborhood cop" so, my interpretation, is that it checks to see if the person had a named neighborhood. and brian said that his neighborhood had a name.

[zMuffinMan]

i assume named is because he was nightingale but regardless, brian wouldn't have been in a neighbourhood after n1 so it doesn't make much difference

[SXTLHGaiden]

@mod: would neighborhood cop check if the target ever had a neighborhood?

[Brian Skies]

I mean, that seems kind of obvious, though. The possibilities have always been that he either used it once because he either couldn't or didn't want to use it again (which is understandable since a link would have been drawn eventually) or that he never used it to begin with (which imo would actually be the smarter option - tbh if I were scum with noddy I would have told him to either not use it til later in the game if necessary or claim it as negative utility D1 and have town direct it for maximum town cred)

I'm disappointed by your lack of creativity (and I guess mostly Notty's since he's the one who actually had the role). He could have always held onto it and vanillarized NK targets like Grapes. Also, setting himself as a negative utility power role would have put him in a counterclaim scenario with our roleblocker, although it can be argued that he wouldn't have had that knowledge had he chosen to do so.

I don't really get why they used it n1 on a d5 role and then never again either

He probably vanillarized me because I was blatantly claiming a D5 power role and then chickened out after I started telling everyone I was vanillarized and that there was no way the vanillarizer was town. So if I were him, I'd avoid doing anything that would potentially out me as the vanillarizer, which goes back towards vanillarizing NK targets (which is a pretty moot point by now anyway).

Which was part of the reason I was paranoid about Brian earlier in the game

You were? I must have missed this.

well, presumably cupcake would have got a negative result if he investigated brian (except N1), which doesn't say much at all if the neighbourhood ability only lasted a single night like brian claims

I don't know how his role is supposed to work as far as my neighborhood is concerned. But my neighborhood does indeed have a name (although I'm not sure if the N1 part is supposed to be included in the official title). And if anything was out of place as far as my claimed neighborhood is concerned, Cupcake had all of Day 3, 4, and 5 to say something. I want to say it's the same thing as the way we're treating Nacho, except we have no idea who Cupcake checked each night.

[FakeGod]

@mod: would neighborhood cop check if the target ever had a neighborhood?

It only checks at the moment.

For example, if a player who previously had access to a neighborhood had lost the access for whatever reason and was unable to open the neighborhood PT any more, then the neighborhood cop investigating that player would come up negative.

[Brian Skies]

@mod: would neighborhood cop check if the target ever had a neighborhood?

It only checks at the moment.

How inelegant.

[SXTLHGaiden]

@mod: would neighborhood cop check if the target ever had a neighborhood?

It only checks at the moment.

For example, if a player who previously had access to a neighborhood had lost the access for whatever reason and was unable to open the neighborhood PT any more, then the neighborhood cop investigating that player would come up negative.

Clarify: Does unable to open mean that they cannot view the neighborhood anymore? Or does it mean that once they become unable to post in it?

[FakeGod]

If a player can open the PT, then he/she has access.

Yes, unable to open is same as unable to view.

PT being locked or not have nothing to do with someone's access.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Ok brian, do you still have access to the neighborhood pt?

[SXTLHGaiden]

also brian, would you also mind unvoting me for a bit?
i actually have a point to the stuff i am saying.

[Brian Skies]

Ok brian, do you still have access to the neighborhood pt?

If I didn't still have access to neighborhood QT, how could I answer the previous questions regarding my neighborhood?

Spoiler:

what did you guys talk about in the neighborhood?

MelancholyMath

: The gif I posted was actually a crumb.

MelancholyMath

: I had a neighborizor in Corpse party and wanted to go the subtle route here.

Brian

: Is there anything about your role I should know about?

Brian

: Sorry for the late response. I wasn't expecting to be neighborized. I wasn't lying about my role.

Brian

: Well, I lied about part of it, but I retracted it. Why neighborize me over someone else? Not sure what you mean by crumb and your role deviates from what I expect from the setup, but it is a FakeGod setup. I think Toothy, Bork, and Mac are town but will have to look through the game again. How do you feel about Nacho scumreading you?

Brian

: Are you going to be available later or just blame me for wasting half the time we had to talk to each other?

MelancholyMath

: No? I'll explain more about my crumb later. I initally planned on targeting Sakura before she replaced out. I think I want to look at the Nati wagon because scum may have powerbussed her.

Brian

: Is your action a day action? I was targeted by another day action and was wondering if it was part of your role.

Some flavor stuff

.

MelancholyMath

: I'm just a neighborizor. I'm going to look at the people who didn't have much reasoning to be on the Nati wagon.

Some waffling on Nacho and how Nacho is reading him.

Brian

: Okay, I asked because I'm a D* Unlynchable Townie and was vanillarized. Still not a fan of Farside or TTH.

Brian

: I think Nacho may have been crumbing a town role early on.

MelancholyMath

: Farside feels like she did in Survivor. Agree on TTH. Overwhelmed on the softclaims.

Brian

: I don't think Oversoul is scummy considering he had a late replace in. Farside is more of a PoE read, and I do think her demeanor might point towards town.

MelancholyMath

: Oversoul is more not town rather than scummy for me.

Dreamworld N1

Well, it's probably just Dreamworld since that's the pretty title FakeGod gave it in the thread under the image he provided and everything. But the thread is titled Dreamworld N1.

*The title is above the image.

It also said we'd be the only players with access to the thread.

also brian, would you also mind unvoting me for a bit?

UNVOTE: Gaiden

[zMuffinMan]

He could have always held onto it and vanillarized NK targets like Grapes

that is what i meant when i said holding onto it until later in the game, yes

You were? I must have missed this

indeed. the idea of asking your scum buddy to either legitimately target you or claim to have targeted you is something i might do as scum, and part of why i thought it was rather convenient that he chose to vanillarise a n5 role n1 when that's clearly suboptimal play

[zMuffinMan]

eh. can't find anything about any of cupcake's targets in his ISO

presumably if brian was checked it woulda been the night no kill occurred (the only thing cupcake did the next day is vote mac)

[Brian Skies]

indeed. the idea of asking your scum buddy to either legitimately target you or claim to have targeted you is something i might do as scum, and part of why i thought it was rather convenient that

he chose to vanillarise a n5 role n1 when that's clearly suboptimal play

While looking for a way to clear a partner is something I

would

do (see Viscon: Crossroads), finding a way to clear myself isn't. I also made a pretty big deal about the bolded after I was vanillarized and it's why I was so adamant about it being a scum role.

[Brian Skies]

eh. can't find anything about any of cupcake's targets in his ISO

I've already looked a few times since he died. I don't think he crumbed or softed anything and it's possible he thought his role wasn't that important. But he thought I was town, so maybe?

[Brian Skies]

presumably if brian was checked it woulda been the night no kill occurred (the only thing cupcake did the next day is vote mac)

Why not Night 2 or 3?

[Brian Skies]

Oh right, Notty claimed and flipped neighborizer.

[zMuffinMan]

eh. can't find anything about any of cupcake's targets in his ISO

I've already looked a few times since he died. I don't think he crumbed or softed anything and it's possible he thought his role wasn't that important. But he thought I was town, so maybe?

i doubt he put people in his town list because he investigated them

and yeah, because if he were going to use it on you (a claimed vanilla) it would have been after noddy's flip

[Brian Skies]

I'm a claimed 'vanillarized', not a claimed 'vanilla', thank you very much. And I'm still bitter about it.

[Brian Skies]

i doubt he put people in his town list because he investigated them

I don't think a rational Cupcake (at least by his standards) would have considered his role to be that useful at least until Notty claimed to have neighborized me (confirmable action).

[zMuffinMan]

he probably didn't. would be helpful if the useless sack of crap actually left proper crumbs if he was using his role, especially since he was outed on like D2

or even like a "oh yeah i think brian is town, btw vote: mac" or something

[Brian Skies]

He could have always held onto it and vanillarized NK targets like Grapes

that is what i meant when i said holding onto it until later in the game, yes

I actually meant that he just vanillarizes people everyday and then kills those people.

He also claimed to be a full neighborizer to me, so I don't know why he was playing like an X-Shot.

[SXTLHGaiden]

he probably didn't. would be helpful if the useless sack of crap actually left proper crumbs if he was using his role, especially since he was outed on like D2

or even like a "oh yeah i think brian is town, btw vote: mac" or something

I want to say that Kats did check brian because after learning about ns being a neighborizer, he asked who ns targeted.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I think it is safe to say that Brian is vanilla.
so, the only possible people who can be responsible for the extra kill is muffin or me.
rationale: nacho was confirmed double voter by farside, brian is vanilla confirmed by kats, oversoul was RB'd.
so now we have to figure out how last night's kill happened.