Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

[Netherspite]

So rather than defend himself, he has decided to give up and just not give association tells? Yeah, I don't think so. That seems like a horribly forced conclusion.

He's new and decided that he fucked it up already too much.
I see nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I mean its like he is begging to be lynched. He has given no effort basically and doesn't fight back at all to the people accusing him.

Feels like bad town rather than bad mafia.

Also you expect someone who is being this scummy to be good enough to plan out the fact he won't give association tells?
Really?

It's not that hard to plan that.
More interesting fact is you defending him despite all his behavior.

[TheDominator37]

And now that Newbie 1617 is over I can go into more detail about why I'm sure Dominator is scum here. In that game Dominator was town, and

repeatedly insisted that bandwagon votes with no reason were anti-town

:

Spoiler: Quotes from Newbie 1617

Care to explain? I'm not fully sure about why are you voting Wanderer, even less sure about why Mahonster is triggering your suspicion.

Wanderer vote on me had no reason and was a bandwagon

Mahonster is next on my list because of how quiet he is.

@Dom: wagons aren't bad, if everyone is smart enough to count votes so they don't derphammer (hammering but not knowing it was already hammer), wagons can give is a great deal of information. Now why exactly do you think Mahonster and me are scum?

I disagree with you on that

Bandwagons are a way to get scum under you attention

Mohonster is suspicious because he is quiet and trying not to draw any attention to himself

My top 5 suspects list

1. Wanderer: bandwagon and voting without explanation

2. Keychain: Quiet trying to float under thee radar
3. BBT: so intent on lynxhing me without any substaintal proof
4. Willow: same as above a little bit o bandwagoning
5. Yuri: you know why

Now compare that to Dominator's voting patterns and "explanations" in this game. There's no way it can be town here.

bandwagon meta scum anyitown communist conformist deconformist mafia tic tac toe Yahtzee game set match fatality end over blasphemy lies dishonest.
VOTE: qll alone

[TheDominator37]

I think I've got an idea why does

TheDominator37

act that scummy.
Since he is caught scum he is trying to stretch it beyond any recognition to hide his partners in the shadow of his scumminess + to not provide any association tells.

What do ou mean I'm caught

[duppin]

I thought you townread everyone but RC, nether and eventi. Why vote on All Alone then?

It feels like you are trolling. Your play has been scummy, I don't think your reaction to pressure is towny as some people seem to believe. If you are town, I'd actually say they are defending you for town cred, because I do not really understand why someone would want to keep you around if you are just going to troll.

[Netherspite]

Ignore the troll, we can lynch him at any time later.
Lets lynch some other scum today.

[Thesp]

I haven't seen anything terribly compelling this weekend, other than I wouldn't mind if Firebringer died, and I like All Alone's case on TheDominator37.

eventi's wagon seems to have nearly dissipated, so...

UNVOTE: eventi
VOTE: TheDominator37

I'm still happy lynching either one, or even PMysterious. I'd like to see us move towards a lynch or at least real threat-to-lynch very soon, so we're not forced by a deadline. Remember, if we hit deadline without a lynch, it's a no-lynch, which is one fewer opportunity for us in this setup, and something scum would love. We've got plenty to work on, there's no reason we couldn't do a lynch several days before our deadline. Let's move, people.

[Netherspite]

The deadline is 5 days from now.
I'd prefer to see

eventi

wagon growing.

[eventi]

Dominator basically scumreads everyone as soon as they get a vote.

He's honestly too scummy to be scum.

I don't see the point for the townie to act like him.
Neither for scum.
He looks like a troll or something.

That's the reason scum would act like this... nobody will vote for him

[TheDominator37]

No way nether
VOTE: nether

[TheDominator37]

Dominator basically scumreads everyone as soon as they get a vote.

He's honestly too scummy to be scum.

I don't see the point for the townie to act like him.
Neither for scum.
He looks like a troll or something.

That's the reason scum would act like this... nobody will vote for him

The WIFOM is real

[Alchemist21]

After re-reading ISO's, both Duppin and RC are null for me. Duppin looks like he's going to pick up his activity and lay out his thoughts more, so he should be easier to read as the game progresses. I actually understand some of RC's latest posts, and the more I look over their early play the more I think I misread them for playstyle.

VOTE: Netherspite
The way he's defending RC and pushing Eventi is scummy to me. I normally wouldn't think much of a player defending 1 slot and attacking another, but he's misrepped a couple of times so I'm suspecting scum shennanigans on his part.

I could also vote PMysterious. They voted Eventi for pressure, then later they unvoted without voting another slot, but maintained the eventi and dominator scumreads. That read as trying to softpush the slots while staying off the lynches in my opinion.

I also noticed Pistachion's only vote this whole game was his RVS vote.

@pistachion, could you explain why you haven't made a serious vote?

[Netherspite]

@Alchemist21

I was what? Misrepping? You must be kidding.
Care to elaborate?

[pistachi0n]

Something felt off the first time he just popped in immediately after being mentioned, and he did it again when I voted him. I didn't really care for his response to my reasoning because it reeked of lurkscum, but if the vacation thing was true and he starts posting more then hopefully I'll get a more accurate read on him.

I understand that, but why does he have your vote and not just your suspicion? As of day 1 conditions, he seems unlikely to be scum, if he continues lurking it's probably worthy of consideration.

Added pressure. What makes you think he's unlikely to be scum?

Because he's done nothing that strikes me as scum-motivated and other people have. I will re-evaluate him after Day 1.

[pistachi0n]

Also, Alchemist's vote on Duppin was grasping at straws. Maybe he's seeing something I'm not. I looked through his Iso expecting some glaringly obvious statement that he was scum, but the rest was pretty towny. I agree with his analysis on Thesp/RC. What's up with the Duppin vote, Alchemist? Why's he scummier than anyone else in the game?

You said things about several players in this and surrounding posts.
1. Have you been following these players that you were interested in?
2. What are your reads on them?

1. Yes I have
2. Alchemist is my strongest townread, I'm also townreading Nether and RC. Eventi and Dominator are my scum-reads.

[pistachi0n]

@pistachion, could you explain why you haven't made a serious vote?

Because I was busy over the last two calendar days, and before that I was feeling waffly.

VOTE: Eventi, I explained why I scumread him in an earlier post, I can link you if you want.

Also I'm a she.

[Alchemist21]

@Alchemist21

I was what? Misrepping? You must be kidding.
Care to elaborate?

You said my vote was emotional-based and OMGUS whenit was neither of those things, and you tried to water down Eventi's argument into something based on time zones when it wasn't about time zones at all.

[TheDominator37]

Also, Alchemist's vote on Duppin was grasping at straws. Maybe he's seeing something I'm not. I looked through his Iso expecting some glaringly obvious statement that he was scum, but the rest was pretty towny. I agree with his analysis on Thesp/RC. What's up with the Duppin vote, Alchemist? Why's he scummier than anyone else in the game?

You said things about several players in this and surrounding posts.
1. Have you been following these players that you were interested in?
2. What are your reads on them?

1. Yes I have
2. Alchemist is my strongest townread, I'm also townreading Nether and RC. Eventi and Dominator are my scum-reads.

Ok
Do you have any ORIGINALS reads

[pistachi0n]

Yes. As a matter of fact, those are my ORIGINALS reads. Is there anyone in particular you'd like me to post a read on?

[TheDominator37]

Yourself thesp and how about nether (hint: scum)

[Netherspite]

@Alchemist21

I was what? Misrepping? You must be kidding.
Care to elaborate?

You said my vote was emotional-based and OMGUS whenit was neither of those things, and you tried to water down Eventi's argument into something based on time zones when it wasn't about time zones at all.

Except I wasn't misrepping anything.

Your vote was emotional based (as well as the one on me now - you vote me because you're upset that I do not agree with the motivation you're claiming you had).
And problem with

eventi

's argument wasn't with timezones but rather him trying to paint me like doing things I didn't. Yes he used timezones stuff as a part of his invalid argument but it would be invalid even if he didn't.

[Firebringer]

NetherSpite you have been wrong so many times already just on reading for context on posts. Like I swear you read the posts back to front, instead of front to back. So you continually mix up who is actually voting who first.

VOTE: NetherSpite

Anyways, still think Raidiant is his scum partner. Nether is bringing down this game, but I think he is purposefully trying to do that as scum.

[Netherspite]

@Firebringer

You do not make any sense like usually. Reading posts back to front is kinda hard considering I read them every time I get the e-mail notification. Unless you suspect me in time travelling to read new posts before the old ones of course.
You're either scumpartner of

eventi

like I guessed before or this is caused by you being new. Either way, it has negative impact on the town.

Still, I'd like to see

eventi

's flip first.
I'm 95% sure he's scum and it will help building associative links a lot.

[Thesp]

The deadline is 5 days from now.

And now it's even closer to deadline.

I'm not feeling the Netherspite wagon at all. I'd still prefer an eventi wagon, but very happy with my TheDominator37 vote, and would be quite happy with PMysterious pressure/lynch as well. I'd also love to see some prods and a votecount.

[duppin]

Meh, I don't mind switching to eventi.

Not a huge fan of the Netherspite train.

[eventi]

I think it's a shame we're letting TheDominator get away with his behavior