Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ricastle]

Oh, and look who he was removing pressure from; Mainez...this game is becoming clearer by the minute.

[Nachomamma8]

If he is town though, then we are lynching between Elusive, Ricastle, and Lane666.

No. No.
How many times do I have to tell you no, if you mislynch me for terrible reasons, please don't mislynch other people for terrible reasons?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Nachomamma8

Sonic, you failed me.

Come kill me again. Constance won't be mislynched if he lives past today. I could be.

2 minutes. Vote me.

What was up with this? And the lack of self-confidence?

It seems like you're a combination of bored with this game and busy/overloaded/overwhelmed/rushed.
Your patterns for day 1 and day 2 are similar.
(1) coast and not be very open, then (2) show up with a burst when wagon on you starts picking up (in addition, when deadline is right around the corner, in the case of D1)

An example: #1098 start of D2: "I don't know where I want to go." Then, see your last few posts.

The pattern is null...even if Itd is all too familiar from 2013 (Empire's 169, end of d1 wagon scramble. 1547 wicked, end of day showing up).

But the targeted wagons at the end of D1 - it didn't seem like you actually Believed in them (like 169's Dart wagons D1 including one on buddy SSK).

doesn't paint a believable picture - that's pretty much the main selling point

/mobile

I don't remember lurking in NY169. I remember posting a lot and trying to get Sakura mislynched, then I remember posting a lot and being very happy to bus my partner.

Wicked is a game where I was busy at the start, F-16 had a slow start, I started posting near the end of day to bail him out.

You make surface observations to compare my game here with two scum games but don't look at context nor at my actual play. This is the type of thing you push me for when you're scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Why would nacho ask town to vote him at the last moment?

Becaue there were only a couple of minutes left in the day and there was no chance of him getting enough votes to be lynched at that point? Also, there is clear scum motivation in kicking up a distraction and dividing the votes to push us to NL. I don't know what other motivation there could possibly be for fucking around at that stage.

There were 10 minutes left in the day when I self-voted. There were enough people in thread to get me lynched. Saying "oh there wasn't any way Nacho could get lynched" when I was the person who made myself viable.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh, and look who he was removing pressure from; Mainez...this game is becoming clearer by the minute.

Yes. I attempted to bus my scumpartner pre-deadline and then decided I would force town into no lynch by splitting votes between scumwagons.

I have trouble believing that you actually believe what you're saying.

[startfromtheheart]

I said that was a pattern and referenced old games. Ever since you became primarily phone/tablet poster, you lead last minute wagons, lurk, and often are busy such that you put priorities regardless of alignment above those old games until it's near deadline and/or you're almost dead. That explains the lurking.

I said the pushing on you today is for you not seeming to believe in your wagons, not because of the same old pattern.

[Nachomamma8]

I said that was a pattern and referenced old games. Ever since you became primarily phone/tablet poster, you lead last minute wagons, lurk, and often are busy such that you put priorities regardless of alignment above those old games until it's near deadline and/or you're almost dead. That explains the lurking.

I said the pushing on you today is for you not seeming to believe in your wagons, not because of the same old pattern.

I stop believing in wagons strongly when I don't really have scum reads.
Am I supposed to fake it until I make it? Or do you think it's unreasonable for me not to have scum reads?

[startfromtheheart]

I could have swung and taken you out on D1 when the numbers were there. If you think I'm scum, why did I resist your wagon?

If your answer is anything other than sentimental reasons, I want to hear it.

[Nachomamma8]

What time would you have voted me specifically?

[startfromtheheart]

Am I supposed to fake it until I make it? Or do you think it's unreasonable for me not to have scum reads?

It's unreasonable especially in a smallish game compared to the larges in the past you can sort things out in and make a big impact in. This is a piece of cake for someone with your skill level. Not as easy as a micro, but much morecmanageable than a large.

[startfromtheheart]

What time would you have voted me specifically?

Lynch -2 at one point, I'll quote it later. On a computer There were five on you at that particular moment.

[startfromtheheart]

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Source

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Vote Count 1 - 15

• St Constantine the Hermit (4) ( farside22 - Metal Sonic - elusive -
  Nachomamma8
  -
  startfromtheheart
  - Mainez -
  Tammy
  )
  Mainez (4) (
  Aronis
  - Nachomamma8 - massive - startfromtheheart - Tammy)
  Nachomamma8 (4) ( Aronis - Ricastle - lane0168 - St Constantine the Hermit)
  
  
  elusive (0) (

  massive

  )
  
  
  lane0168 (0) (

  Ricastle

  -

  St Constantine the Hermit

  )
  
  
  Ricastle (0) (

  St Constantine the Hermit

  -

  lane0168

  )
  
  
  Aronis (0) (

  Mainez

  )
  
  
  Metal Sonic (0) (

  startfromtheheart

  )
  
  
  massive (0) (

  Nachomamma8

  )
  
  
  Not Voting (0) (
  Tammy
  -
  startfromtheheart
  -
  Nachomamma8
  -
  Tammy
  )

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2015-07-15 18:05:00)

VOTE: nachomamma

[Ricastle]

There were 10 minutes left in the day when I self-voted. There were enough people in thread to get me lynched. Saying "oh there wasn't any way Nacho could get lynched" when I was the person who made myself viable.

I cannot see when the deadline exactly ended now, but one of your posts from right before the deadline stated "there are 10 minutes left. Are you kidding me?" and 7 minutes later you selfvoted...so going by that there were actually roughly 3 minutes remaining. Even if there

were

10 minutes remaining I'm pretty sure not everyone who was on would have voted for you, yet alone within such a short time. I would say it was obvious you wouldn't get lynched there and you know it too.

And this still doesn't explain why you selfvoted in the first place.

Yes. I attempted to bus my scumpartner pre-deadline and then decided I would force town into no lynch by splitting votes between scumwagons.

Which is dumb because...? What, you're going to vote another random player and push them after saying all players other than Mainez looked town earlier?

[startfromtheheart]

Vote: Nachomamma8

Sonic, you failed me.

This was with 4 minutes left. It was clear that Tammy and I were going to not vote you. The numbers were not there. On anyone at that point. Even the Mainez wagon was too late and without necessary numbers. Look at the time stamp. Xx:05 deadline. This post xx:01

[Nachomamma8]

Am I supposed to fake it until I make it? Or do you think it's unreasonable for me not to have scum reads?

It's unreasonable especially in a smallish game compared to the larges in the past you can sort things out in and make a big impact in. This is a piece of cake for someone with your skill level. Not as easy as a micro, but much morecmanageable than a large.

Large games have a lot of moving parts and a lot of players; it's practically impossible not to have scum reads in them.
In micros, in minis, if the scum team is playing well, the dynamic changes. Especially when there are only two scum to catch, which is a smaller ratio of scum:town than usual. Check Forest Fire if you really need a game where I didn't have scum reads for long periods of time (despite being active and engaged).

[Nachomamma8]

What time would you have voted me specifically?

Lynch -2 at one point, I'll quote it later. On a computer There were five on you at that particular moment.

I assume the reason you didn't vote to kill me at that point is because Tammy/I could have found it strange or off and derailed my wagon/moved the wagon off you/pushed you in a not so good place tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

I misremembered the timing. I thought that the wagons were a lot closer than they actually were and additionally didn't remember there were 12 players and not 13, so I very strongly didn't want Constance lynched over me (he is a town read I am 95%+ confident in) because I thought he would actually survive later days, where I was not likely to.

[Nachomamma8]

Which is dumb because...? What, you're going to vote another random player and push them after saying all players other than Mainez looked town earlier?

Why would I say that all other players looked town and start a wagon on Mainez if Mainez was my scum buddy...?

[Nachomamma8]

It's like, I don't know how to reframe or rephrase the argument to perfectly emphasize how ridiculous it was.
You're saying I'm protecting my buddy Mainez from pressure.
But I'm the person who put the pressure on Mainez in the first place.
And then you argue that I only put the pressure on Mainez because I said that Mainez was the only player I wasn't town reading.
But I don't have to say that as scum.

[startfromtheheart]

The same reason you just said you were happy to flash wagon SSK in that 169? In other words, not alignment indicative.

Also, Tammy is way too waffly sir waffles worthington or pleasant for the threat of her pushing me to scare me as much as others regardless of my alignment. Death tunnel players are most intimidating because they're so loud about ramming it down

While not an example of death tunneling at all, elusive is probably the scariest player in the game. Massive for instance is a bit soft spoken or so it seems from an old game I nodded, and while logical isn't as intimidating. Farside and ricastle are more scary than you at this point, actually with his vocal they have the potential to be or have been

Mobile

[Nachomamma8]

The same reason you just said you were happy to flash wagon SSK in that 169? In other words, not alignment indicative.

This is a mini game where I would have 1 scum partner.
That was a large game where I had 3 very capable scum partners (2?) who were not SSK.

[startfromtheheart]

Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

[Nachomamma8]

I think Ricastle's scum as shit, actually.
I don't think anything Ricastle's been pushing makes any sense at all and I can only allow him passes for genuine tone for so long.

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

[startfromtheheart]

That's fair, as muffin and generic could hold their own. Still it was unnecessary and you had all the leverage