Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

It was unnecessary, but also highly beneficial because both ffery and Tammy had scum reads on me during points on D1.

[startfromtheheart]

I think Ricastle's scum as shit, actually.
I don't think anything Ricastle's been pushing makes any sense at all and I can only allow him passes for genuine tone for so long.

If ricastle is actually scum, he/she and Farside would make sense together the way they've remained distant from each other. Unless I'm confusing things.

[Nachomamma8]

Here, it's a gigantic risk for no gain.
And even if I were to do it, why then back down halfway through the bus?
Better yet, why the hell would that be anyone's first thought?

[Nachomamma8]

I'd throw my chips on Ricastle/Massive, actually.

[startfromtheheart]

To force a no lynch? I'll give you credit for the hermit wagon. That was the only time when I was gone, and coincidentally the only time I had a chance to hammer anyone at any point

Did you back down, or did the wagon just not pick up enough votes in time?

I may be wrong but two in the elusive/Farside/ricastle went at it with "why aren't you interacting me, and yet you accuse me of doing nothing" or something like that. Then response was "it's not my job to interact with you, you should bring your own things up." Nothing concrete, but it was really Awkward. We were all in the same old game not long ago so it's very weird to see the lack of camaraderie between those three/two

[Nachomamma8]

Did you back down, or did the wagon just not pick up enough votes in time?

Ricastle is arguing that I backed down.
And my self vote was to split votes on me and Mainez.

[Nachomamma8]

This is why I'm throwing a fit about his case.

[startfromtheheart]

Quickreads:
More likely town: farside, Aronis
Possibly town and willing to take a flyer: Tammy
Possibly town but this is gonna be a long game: elusive
Fluffing around the middle: start, Nacho, mainez, marquis, Metal Sonic
More likely scum: Lane, Ricastle

As you can see, I'm on page 18, about up to my entry in the game.

Is there something wrong with massive's posts? Is it for sidelining today and yesterday?

[Nachomamma8]

No heart.

[startfromtheheart]

Ricastle could be just being loud and disagreeable to stick up for his vote easy and avoid having to do more. But also could easily just be bored regardless of alignment

Or he believes you are scum and doesn't care how good the case is as long as the push itself is strong on the outside

[startfromtheheart]

Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

! Did people actually think that was balanced?

[Nachomamma8]

Ricastle could be just being loud and disagreeable to stick up for his vote easy and avoid having to do more. But also could easily just be bored regardless of alignment

Or he believes you are scum and doesn't care how good the case is as long as the push itself is strong on the outside

He's not bored. But he believes in every vote like it's the best vote he's ever made and the only vote acceptable in the game, which seems pretty strange (no person alive has an unnatural confidence like that). He also has those beliefs despite not being very engaged, and he has them for really dumb reasons.

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

! Did people actually think that was balanced?

It is balanced. Town doesn't have power and depends on random chance for goodies, scum get the same random chance for goodies.

[farside22]

Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

I hate this post.
Why I hate it.
Day 1 you misremember lots of things.

[startfromtheheart]

I actually also think that if I am lynched, it won't be because of your pressure (or Tammy's), it will be because I'm not doing enough or I'm looking scummy (maybe both). And that is enough to get lynched without mother hen taking me out to the shed. I don't know that I'd be motivated to be posting much today if you were not the one being wagoned.

Well, that was confusing because you were suggesting a far/start/massive team which is three people.

But he believes in every vote like it's the best vote he's ever made and the only vote acceptable in the game, which seems pretty strange (no person alive has an unnatural confidence like that). He also has those beliefs despite not being very engaged, and he has them for really dumb reasons.

this seems to contradict the "genuine tone" you say he/she has. it's possible to have a genuine tone and then all of the above (unnatural confidence, reasons that make no sense)?

I don't think anything Ricastle's been pushing makes any sense at all and I can only allow him passes for genuine tone for so long.

[farside22]

Well if you want to ask me why I'm not interacting with ric, I did as much as Icould day 1.
As for massive (and yes people will hate me when I say this but I give 2 fucks if you do) kayp was so fucking obvious town that if massive played shitty the rest of the game I'd smack him and tell to Sri fucking around and scum hunt.
That's how much kayp post rang town for me.

[lane0168]

Why would nacho ask town to vote him at the last moment?

Becaue there were only a couple of minutes left in the day and there was no chance of him getting enough votes to be lynched at that point? Also, there is clear scum motivation in kicking up a distraction and dividing the votes to push us to NL. I don't know what other motivation there could possibly be for fucking around at that stage.

There were 10 minutes left in the day when I self-voted. There were enough people in thread to get me lynched. Saying "oh there wasn't any way Nacho could get lynched" when I was the person who made myself viable.

Lol made yourself viable? You voted yourself for a total of 2 minutes.

Stop trying to give yourself credit where credit is not due. You weren't even close to being a martyr

[startfromtheheart]

I'm just putting out theories today I guess.

1 way to explain Ricastle's play as town, is to believe that HE was really fed up with the wagon on himself Day 1, thinking it was BS (see how he reacted to his own wagon Day 1). And then, he has been just shutting down in ways and half-BSing wagons partially out of frustration on people he thinks are scum.

1 way to explain him scum is to think he is using his frustration/vocalness in tandem to cover up his true intentions and supposed flaws in his made wagons. He's also blowing off people trying to engage him, so that people can't get closer and figure him out. (the failed attempts by others to interact with him)

[lane0168]

Did you back down, or did the wagon just not pick up enough votes in time?

Ricastle is arguing that I backed down.
And my self vote was to split votes on me and Mainez.

This also us not the case. Your vote gave you 5 while mainez was at something like 2. That close to a lynch why are you trying to split votes anyways? You're vote for mainez was to split votes. I'm not saying you shouldve voted yourself but to make it seem like you were going for any sort of lynch at the end of the day is preposterous. You said it yourself, flip is better than no flip, yet you did your best to prevent a flip.

[lane0168]

And btw I think most of what Ricastle is laying down males complete sense right now

[startfromtheheart]

OK I see the old Zodiac game now.

Zodiac I

Nacho got modkilled because he broke a PR? lol. Anyways, it looks like everyone just flipped as simply Townie. Aronis played in that game too.

[startfromtheheart]

Look I can see why Nacho pulling back from Maine if they are scum together actually makes sense, even if Nacho dismisses it (Although I haven't looked at exactly where he pulled back his vote - he did pull his vote back though at a dubious time a few hours (or maybe an hour) from deadline, that's for sure).

And btw I think most of what Ricastle is laying down males complete sense right now

including this too? ----

VOTE: Nachomamma8

The end of that day was awful.

Meh

VOTE: Nacho

If Nacho flips town we are going there^ immediately tomorrow

[Ricastle]

He's not bored. But he believes in every vote like it's the best vote he's ever made and the only vote acceptable in the game, which seems pretty strange (no person alive has an unnatural confidence like that). He also has those beliefs despite not being very engaged, and he has them for really dumb reasons.

Why does the former necessitate confidence?

(the failed attempts by others to interact with him)

These being? To my recollection I responded to every attempt with my best possible answer. As I said before the interactions were all ended by the people that started them.

[Ricastle]

I mean, of course I'm going to treat my most recent vote as the best I've ever made. That's why my vote is there; because I think it's the best place for it to be! That's the same for everyone, surely.

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

I hate this post.
Why I hate it.
Day 1 you misremember lots of things.

And?