Mini 1687: Refraction Mafia (WINNER!)

[Thor665]

I have indicated that I am not fond of his playstyle.
My current read on him is 'a disagreeable playstyle that i hard to read and offers nothing to assess.'

Rekt?

[Lapsa]

Pointing out that I had issues with your playstyle on Day 4 when I announced that I did on Day 1?
Brilliant prediction of my thoughts.

no. pointing out that You're done shit.

[Thor665]

Okay.

[Lapsa]

I have indicated that I am not fond of his playstyle.
My current read on him is 'a disagreeable playstyle that i hard to read and offers nothing to assess.'

Rekt?

wrecked. badly situated

[Lapsa]

Okay.

bye bye. see you soon!

[Aeronaut]

VC 4.3

VoteCount 4.3

Toolenduso -

Thor665

(L-3)

Bellaphant -

Lapsa

(L-3)

Shinobi -

texcat -

Thor665 -

Lapsa -

Not Voting

-

Toolenduso, Bellaphant, Shinobi, Texcat

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-07-29 00:00:32)

Deadline is Tuesday!

[Bellaphant]

I'm struggling. So, let's look at who's been driving lynches through.

Titus -

Fro99er, Plotinus,

Shinobi, BlueBloodedToffee,

Persivul

, Bellaphant, toolenduso (L-0)

RadiantCowbells -

texcat, Fro99er

, Shinobi, Thor665, Lapsa,

RadiantCowbells

(L-0)

Zoronos - Thor665, toolenduso,

texcat, Fro99er, Zoronos

(L-0)

Tex - 2/3 lynches

Positions 1,3
Tool - 2/3 Positions Lynch, 2
Thor - 2/3 Positions 4,1
Bella - 1/3 Positions l-1
Shin - 2/3 Position 3,3
Lapsa - 1/3 l-1

Shin's in that magic position on both of his lynches. He's scum.

If we're looking for 3 more scum, that suggests Thor/Shin/Tool. I don't like that, though - is there any possibility we started with one Infra-red (balanced with the neighbourisng power) and two UV? I'm not sure what that means for the RB situation though, if that is the reason for the 1 kill. Thoughts?

[Thor665]

I've only ever seen a mod once refer to a dual scum team as an SK and never seen it called a Mafia. Single scum teams are SKs, not mafia.

[Lapsa]

Thoughts?

the only real alternative for Thor/Bella team is lynching Shinobi

[texcat]

If there are 3 scum left and Thor is telling the truth, then they have to be Tool, Bella, Shinobi. (or possibly GF Lapsa).
If there are 3 scum left and Thor is scum, then my best guess is Bella, Shinobi, and Thor. But who knows? Lapsa and Tool would certainly be possible.

VOTE: Bellaphant
but still willing to switch to Shinobi

[Lapsa]

but still willing to switch to Shinobi

according to my theory - you should not. that would eliminate team scum1 and lead BellaThor to victory

[Shinobi]

"Magic position."
Really.

[Shinobi]

I'm thinking I'm still going to vote Bella.
Any naysayers, say so now.

[Shinobi]

Alright, rad.
VOTE: Bella

[Lapsa]

thank you, Shin

[toolenduso]

@Lapsa: why do you think shinobi is partners with BBT?

@Thor: thoughts on lynching Bella/her being at L-1?

[Lapsa]

@Lapsa: why do you think shinobi is partners with BBT?

Thor/Tool day4 conflict seemed unnatural -> scum involved, myself waiting and observing before going for a strike

mostly #2422

as I see it - Thor wrote that before anyone really attacked his credibility,
so it feels to me as too early for a Bellabus

-------------------------------------by backward induction:

above mentioned point makes me think that bussing in multiball situation like i've described must be avoided at all cost.

#2410 kind a strengthens idea of Shin+BBT.
at that point - 1man scum team would be more interested to scumhunt instead of going for a mislynch.

tricky part is that Shin is unlikely to know BellaThor for sure - that could explain Shin's reluctance to vote early Day4

Why is Bella town?
Why is Tool scum?

Tool, if you don't trust Thor's claim then why did you ever trust him in the first place?

this actually can be qualified as an attack on Thor by my completely confbiased mind

Shin might be with Thor.
BBT is not with Thor. (No post link. Just all of D1)

BBT might be with Bella. 978
Thor could be with Bella.
Shin can't be with Bella. 288 / 369

Thor could be with Shin.
Bella is probably not with Shin.
BBT is probably not with Shin.
If Shin is scum, his only possible partner is Thor.

Shin can't be with BBT.
Thor can't be with BBT. (D1 train push)

That means BBT is either with Bella or Tool.

So, potential teams are:
[BBT+Tool] -> [Thor + Bella] or [Thor + Shin]. (Bella + Shin is excluded)
[BBT+Bella] -> [Thor + Shin] or [Thor + Tool]. (Shin + Tool is excluded)
The take away here is that Thor is PoE lock scum if it's a 2+2 multiball.

Zor's reads are actually what bothers me most.

according to Zor:

#978 is supposed to indicate BellaBBT:

Zor, you have one day. Bella is not happening, join me on Thor please.

as I see it - Thor!BBT disasociation here takes precedence over Bella+BBT. kind a valid point though

I can't understand why Zor sees Shin!Bella because of #288.

#369 seems to be kind a valid point for Shin!Bella association. but that's not a contradiction

summary - not enough to change my mind though

that's for starters, Tool

[Shinobi]

Lapsa why do you think Tool is town?

[Lapsa]

ehh... bit later, Shin. just finished #2541

[Bellaphant]

@Lapsa, you know there's an alternative you aren't considering?

I don't make sense as a scum partner for Shin

I don't make sense as a scum partner for Thor

I'm not scum. I'm also interested in Shin's question.

I'm at l-1, still vt.

[Lapsa]

@Lapsa, you know there's an alternative you aren't considering?

I don't make sense as a scum partner for Shin

I don't make sense as a scum partner for Thor

I'm not scum. I'm also interested in Shin's question.

I'm at l-1, still vt.

you make sense as Thor partner

if I have to choose between Tex, Tool and you, it's definitely you

no wonder you are

[Lapsa]

DON'T READ THIS

Lapsa why do you think Tool is town?

reminds me Zor - covert and discrete voice of truth

Tool ripped Thor apart and Thor is leaking heavily:

The extra kill...I dunno, leaning some sort of scum 1-shot ability for an extra kill?

That they used...on themselves?

That's a good point, actually.
Limited shot SK?
I don't think we have an unclaimed protective at this stage, and the only other possibility is scum either always targeting the same or one of the teams lurking enough not to submit kills by accident/or doing so intentionally.
The latter seems highly unlikely on all points, and the former, though I've seen, is also weird.

no fucking way Thor would ever miss that or post unintentionally. there is no town intent for doing so
forced reconciliation is the name. just like his vote. to silence Tool

not submitting kills by accident? really?

and no, Thor, you haven't seen unclaimed

town

protective at this stage of the game. roleblocker thing bugs me too

2* toolenduso

general vibe 32

haven't changed since then

[Lapsa]

in contrast, this is how it should be done properly:

I claim Godfather

[toolenduso]

what

[toolenduso]

Lapsa...explain please?