Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

Netherspite · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:49 pm

@Persivul

Do you have any town games where you replaced in during D1 ?
Mind linking if so?

Persivul · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:09 am

In post 500, Netherspite wrote:
@Persivul

Do you have any town games where you replaced in during D1 ?
Mind linking if so?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61639

Note that I replaced into a hot slot in that one.

Persivul · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:11 am

In post 465, Persivul wrote:
There's a day and a half left and I just replaced in. I'm taking an eventi hammer as a scum claim at this point.

With 18 hours left, this is rescinded. Looks like everyone set their vote some time ago and don't really care anymore.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:18 am

I'd take Dominator over Eventi, now that Firebringer doesn't seem to be an option.

VOTE: Dominator

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:21 am

Persivul, the only reason you think that I'm ever not playing to win is because you don't make decisions at my level.

And don't think I didn't notice that you replaced in and immediately started discrediting everything I've done, then ended up sheeping basically all my reads.

Netherspite · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:28 am

In post 501, Persivul wrote:
In post 500, Netherspite wrote:
@Persivul

Do you have any town games where you replaced in during D1 ?
Mind linking if so?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61639

Note that I replaced into a hot slot in that one.

Thanks, reading.
So far your behavior in this game matches it in the game I was modding rather than in this game where you were town.
This is premature statement and can change later. I'm still reading.

eventi · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:50 am

In post 502, Persivul wrote:
In post 465, Persivul wrote:
There's a day and a half left and I just replaced in. I'm taking an eventi hammer as a scum claim at this point.

With 18 hours left, this is rescinded. Looks like everyone set their vote some time ago and don't really care anymore.

We actually have < 5 hours left now, regardless of the timezone.

Thesp/Nether - congrats on getting so many people to vote for me. Thesp with your :hifives: and "not too keen on" and Nether with your head spinning illogical arguments. You've managed to get the apathy and confusion votes locked down.

And congrats to TheDominator for acting too scummy to be scum. Only scum would act too scummy to be scum.

I ask that if you plan on posting at least twice in the next 5 hours, please move your vote to TheDominator. As I was trying to show when I asked who your top two votes are, I believe you have enough votes for TheDominator today whereas my wagon is full of "I guess if it comes to it, I'll vote eventi"

Firestarter - please use lowercase when you talk about me after I'm gone. Branding, dude

And finally, I'd like to hear what you're going to learn / who you're going to look at when I flip town.

Netherspite · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:56 am

In post 506, eventi wrote:
In post 502, Persivul wrote:
In post 465, Persivul wrote:
There's a day and a half left and I just replaced in. I'm taking an eventi hammer as a scum claim at this point.

With 18 hours left, this is rescinded. Looks like everyone set their vote some time ago and don't really care anymore.

We actually have < 5 hours left now, regardless of the timezone.

Thesp/Nether - congrats on getting so many people to vote for me. Thesp with your :hifives: and "not too keen on" and Nether with your head spinning illogical arguments. You've managed to get the apathy and confusion votes locked down.

And congrats to TheDominator for acting too scummy to be scum. Only scum would act too scummy to be scum.

I ask that if you plan on posting at least twice in the next 5 hours, please move your vote to TheDominator. As I was trying to show when I asked who your top two votes are, I believe you have enough votes for TheDominator today whereas my wagon is full of "I guess if it comes to it, I'll vote eventi"

Firestarter - please use lowercase when you talk about me after I'm gone. Branding, dude

And finally, I'd like to hear what you're going to learn / who you're going to look at when I flip town.

If for some strange reason you will flip town I'll consider

Alchemist

and

Firebringer

to be townier than I currently think.
As for scum I will look among

All Alone

,

Thesp

,

TheDominator37

,

RadiantCowbells

.

Persivul

is also under suspicion for me but it does not depend on your flip.

I however still think you will flip scum because your vote does not make any sense and you can't even explain it.

eventi · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:05 am

You can't be that dense. Persivul found it. Why can't you? It doesn't serve me or the town to restate it here.

What exactly is your case against me anyway? Your initial vote was pretty much just echoing Thesp's reason and siding with RadiantCowbells and since then you've been so tunnel vision on me that you can't let me say good morning without challenging it.

eventi · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:08 am

Also - get with the program and move your vote. You can then start appealing to All Alone or whoever else you think you might get on my wagon and move it back to me once you have.

Netherspite · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:17 am

I'll restate the reasons I'm voting you:
1. Your opportunistic vote on

RadiantCowbells

.
2. You OMGUSing me, using shitty arguments I refuted as an excuse.
3. You insisting on your vote despite there are no reasons to keep it anymore.
4. Your reads are basically completely different from mine. I am aware this can happen between townies but combined with all the other...

See? It's not that hard at all if you actually

do

have reasons to keep your vote.

eventi · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:30 am

In post 510, Netherspite wrote:I'll restate the reasons I'm voting you:
1. Your opportunistic vote on
RadiantCowbells
.
2. You OMGUSing me, using shitty arguments I refuted as an excuse.
3. You insisting on your vote despite there are no reasons to keep it anymore.
4. Your reads are basically completely different from mine. I am aware this can happen between townies but combined with all the other...

See? It's not that hard at all if you actually
do
have reasons to keep your vote.

1. Very few people believe this. When you broke it down before I refuted all the points. RadiantCowbells no longer believes it.
2. Again, I laid out the reasons I thought you were scum. You use OMGUS very liberally. Your vote on me was against an enemy of your friend, which I believe they call a chainsaw vote.
3. You may have changed your behavior since I voted, but that doesn't change that you did what you did. One additional reason which I've been very clear on is your faulty logic in your arguments. That has only gotten worse.

I also moved my vote off you LONG ago, hadn't you noticed?

4. I think you're scum and you don't? You think I'm scum and I don't? I guess we do disagree. We agree on RC and apparently Thesp to a degree.

I think you're still knee jerk disagreeing with me. It seems like you're not really paying attention.

And why don't you move your vote to TheDominator? As I said you can take the hammer if you manage to convince All Alone to move his...

eventi · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:44 am

Now I'm getting really suspicious - Have you not realized that I haven't had my vote on you for the past week? Are you reading the thread? That seems like something really big to have missed.

Netherspite · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:44 am

You consider my logic faulty, I consider your logic faulty... is this a reason for the scumread? I didn't state it among the reason list, did I?
My opinion is your vote was opportunistic and it does not depend on what others think about it, why should it depend? I have my own opinion.

As of dominator, why would I move my vote to someone I'm not really sure is scum? Is your belief he's scum, not mine.

Persivul · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:44 am

In post 506, eventi wrote:We actually have < 5 hours left now, regardless of the timezone.

Per mod's last post 447 we have over 15 hours.

Netherspite · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:48 am

In post 511, eventi wrote:
3. You may have changed your behavior since I voted, but that doesn't change that you did what you did. One additional reason which I've been very clear on is your faulty logic in your arguments. That has only gotten worse.
I also moved my vote off you LONG ago, hadn't you noticed?

What did I do? Scumhunting? Defending townie from your accusations? It's called playing for my wincon. What's wrong with that?

Well, you changed your vote - another exampe of your opportunistic behavior.

Persivul

came in and kind of turned the game course like he did in the game I was modding. You used that opportunity and started 'scumreading' the player he is attacking to save your hide.
Survivalistic + opportunistic in the single vote.

eventi · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:49 am

In post 514, Persivul wrote:
In post 506, eventi wrote:We actually have < 5 hours left now, regardless of the timezone.

Per mod's last post 447 we have over 15 hours.

Oh weird - I could swear I saw 14 hrs last night, and 5 just before I made my post... my bad.

Netherspite · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:50 am

And yes, I am aware that you were 'scumreading' him before but previously you thought that I'm an easier lynch and voted me.
As soon as his wagon gained some momentum you instantly switched back.

Persivul · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:56 am

In post 510, Netherspite wrote:I'll restate the reasons I'm voting you:
1. Your opportunistic vote on
RadiantCowbells
.

As noted previously, it wasn't opportunistic. He made his case.

3. You insisting on your vote despite there are no reasons to keep it anymore.

Pot-kettle-black.

eventi · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:00 am

In post 515, Netherspite wrote:
In post 511, eventi wrote:
3. You may have changed your behavior since I voted, but that doesn't change that you did what you did. One additional reason which I've been very clear on is your faulty logic in your arguments. That has only gotten worse.
I also moved my vote off you LONG ago, hadn't you noticed?

What did I do? Scumhunting? Defending townie from your accusations? It's called playing for my wincon. What's wrong with that?

Well, you changed your vote - another exampe of your opportunistic behavior.

Persivul
came in and kind of turned the game course like he did in the game I was modding. You used that opportunity and started 'scumreading' the player he is attacking to save your hide.
Survivalistic + opportunistic in the single vote.

I've hardly said anything since Persivul came in, and I don't care about the game you were modding. I moved my vote

back

to TheDominator (I was on you for 24hrs since TheDominator wasn't moving)

And I'm on the gallows right now, of course I'm survivalistic. I'm town, and this will be a mislynch which is bad for town. You can hardly blame me for that.

And once again, in typical Netherspite style, you're distracting from the point of my argument. You said I won't move my vote, but it isn't on you, so your point #3 is invalid.

eventi · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:00 am

In post 515, Netherspite wrote:
In post 511, eventi wrote:
3. You may have changed your behavior since I voted, but that doesn't change that you did what you did. One additional reason which I've been very clear on is your faulty logic in your arguments. That has only gotten worse.
I also moved my vote off you LONG ago, hadn't you noticed?

What did I do? Scumhunting? Defending townie from your accusations? It's called playing for my wincon. What's wrong with that?

Well, you changed your vote - another exampe of your opportunistic behavior.

Persivul
came in and kind of turned the game course like he did in the game I was modding. You used that opportunity and started 'scumreading' the player he is attacking to save your hide.
Survivalistic + opportunistic in the single vote.

I've hardly said anything since Persivul came in, and I don't care about the game you were modding. I moved my vote

back

to TheDominator (I was on you for 24hrs since TheDominator wasn't moving)

And I'm on the gallows right now, of course I'm survivalistic. I'm town, and this will be a mislynch which is bad for town. You can hardly blame me for that.

And once again, in typical Netherspite style, you're distracting from the point of my argument. You said I won't move my vote, but it isn't on you, so your point #3 is invalid.

eventi · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:02 am

In post 517, Netherspite wrote:And yes, I am aware that you were 'scumreading' him before but previously you thought that I'm an easier lynch and voted me.
As soon as his wagon gained some momentum you instantly switched back.

Everyone moved off Dom's wagon because it had no momentum, so of course we should move onto it once it does.

Persivul · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:06 am

Unofficial VC:

Eventi (6): Nether, pist, dom, dave, dupp, thesp
Nether (2): Alch, fire
Fire (1): Ank
Pers (1): Alone
Dom (3): Pers, dom, RC

Ank and Alone, your lone votes aren't accomplishing anything with less than a day left in phase.

Persivul · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:07 am

In post 517, Netherspite wrote:And yes, I am aware that you were 'scumreading' him before but previously you thought that I'm an easier lynch and voted me.
As soon as his wagon gained some momentum you instantly switched back.

So what? Lots of people do this. You can't possibly scum read them all for it.

Netherspite · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:12 am

@Persivul

We can argue for years about whether it was opportunistic or not.
For me, it was. Making a case to have an excuse for your opportunistic vote does not make it any less opportunistic.
Under opportunistic I understand a vote on a player who is most likely to get lynched.

@eventi

Yeah, you hardly said anything yet you decided to opportunistically move your vote back to a wagon which is going to gain momentum.
Also, caring much about your own survival as town is stupid. You can lose even if you survive. You can win even if you don't survive. Your goal is make town catching the scum. If your flip will help that - you should be fine with your lynch.
I am always fine with my lynch if it contributes important information to the town. I was stating it since my first game here and I don't care if someone does not like it. I am still insisting that it's true.
Thus, you being survivalistic is a scumtell.