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LGD.int vs Liquid (Series 24 Stream D I believe) has been an exciting series to watch. It is glorious pub action featuring an average of a kill every 30 seconds and lanes like CM, Naga, Jugg.
Catch the VoD's later, you won't regret it.Last edited by TheButtonmen on Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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I don't play Dota 2, I played back in the day's of TFT but I catch the odd series during events like the Invitationals and I'm active on TL who was featuring it.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Both my teams go 2-0, today was a good day.
TL vs LGD was a game worth catching the VoD's of when you get the chance, it went long and could have gone either way right up until the end with a lot of big flashy plays to keep it exciting.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Also I will now always cheer for whoever is facing Zenith, my only regret about not playing DotA now is that I have no items to bet against them.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Cow seems niche as hell, he's good at what he does sure but easy to counter play/pick and requires his team to be largely drafted around him. Not exactly what I'd call OP as hell, he's not even as pubstomp as a hero like Ursa.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Stag Cow is basically just Naga without the early net initiation, mirror image map control and jungle presence, -armor or song wtfery. You can see why people could find them comparable!Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Suck it glorious comrades, gimmicks ain't got shit on the [A] team! Someone on TL summed it up nicely when discussing how drafting strategies before game 2 started by saying;
Alliance did the same drafting strategy up they always do, Na'vi assembled a deathball push and took 6 towers by the 14 min mark and still failed to convert the gold, xp and map control into a win. Alliance played safe, clean rat dota for 25 mins and then the second they got ahead instantly and utterly curbstomped Na'vi.I'd imagine Alliance will pick the same heroes they always pick and Navi will do something creative.
It will be interesting to see how the final goes because it's becoming pretty clear that 4 / 1 chinese dota plan won't phase [A] and that they have the patience to wait out early game teams. Hopefully we see the winner of the Ro2 losers bracket winner bring something new to the field because it's looking like it might be a pretty clean cut finals at this rate.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Ban Chen, NP first against [A]?
You aren't going to be able to ban any of their players out but the NP / Chen bans really narrow the picks they can make but a first phase ban on puck / bat could also work to really shoehorn S4's picks? I know people are saying you need to ban LD to stop Bulldog but he looked awful mortal LD this past game and was successfully locked out before Na'vi rotated supports to pressure the other lanes. [A]kke and S4 have actually been the [A] MVP's so far imo and I think the bans should be entirely targeted at them rather then spread out across of [A].Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Stacked ancients on cooldown, he got mad jungle gold and xp while Na'vi ran their supports around the map 5 manning undefended towers.In post 640, Katsuki wrote:Game 2, Navi had a team that couldn't push highground. How bulldog managed to get that 19min rad I don't know.
I get that Navi didn't want to run up a ramp into Siren / KotL but with wisp and NP on their team they should have had the lanes continually shoving into the base even if only to tie up 1/2 of the opposing heroes into counter pushing. Navi not banning KotL vs an all-in 20 mins rax or bust push comp also was pretty bizarre.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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You misspelled [A]dmiralBulldog there.In post 642, Natirasha wrote:Why would you ban any of s4's heroes? He's the weakest link on the team.
The issue is without the reactive initiation of a hero such as tidehunter you're no longer able to simply take every outer tower uncontested, having a hero who completely stops [A] from initating until they have a BKB or two lets you dictate tempo a lot more. Also if you were taking a more proactive hero I'd much rather see Clockwork before Pudge or DK simply because of the sheer range he can initiate at because [A] was completely sacking towers and was always a lane or two away from their team (which is well outside of Pudges initiation range).In post 642, Natirasha wrote:I think Luna death ball strats are the way to go vs alliance, but what Navi's team needed was a proactive initiator instead of a reactive one(Pudge would have worked, DK is a safer variant, even Tuskarr would have been solid).Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Na'vi are
16 total wins, 8 total losses,
6 playoff wins, 5 playoff loses,
3 series wins, 1 series loss
Alliance
20 total wins, 1 total loss,
6 playoff wins, 1 playoff loss,
3 series wins, 0 series loses.
The lack of winner's bracket advantage is weird. Navi have to take without dropping a map Alliance to have a better head to head. They can't ever have a better overall record. Combined with how completely crushed Navi got in the winner's bracket finals, I can't really see a way Navi can win TI3 and look like the best team which isn't really a good feeling result for a tournament.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Seriously not even giving a games advantage is just completely fucked, this is the first tournament I've seen with this format and man does it rub me the wrong way.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Navi goes in to the finals with a ton of momentum, morale and warmed up, [A] goes in cold too.
This is the worst fucking format I've ever seen, I have no fucking idea what Valve was thinking.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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A went full retard but Na'vi went fuller retard we got to see what happens when the force of unstoppable stupidty meets an unlearning object.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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That being said I feel scumchat grew closer together by comforting each other through such monumental terrible DotA.
Game 5 managed to bring both [A] and Na'vi fans together as one to commiserate about the travesty we were watching.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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XBOCT is being pretty blunt, possible roster changes from Na'vi or dour eastern European humour?
For most players I'd say they were serious but former Soviet bloc humour and clinical depression are pretty hard to tell apart.Translation wrote:Too bad that often your destiny depends on a couple of useless idiots... Thanks for your support, but na'vi doubtly will continue with this roster;(Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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There wasn't two sets of TP's cancelled, your confusing this with a logical game of well played DotA.
The first set where Enigma, Alchy and TA were standing around the front of the Dire base while Bulldog / Loda split pushed top / bot in;
A) Dendi didn't even have a TP scroll because as far as I can tell he bought an accidental magic wand instead a TP scroll.
B) Alchy never even tried to TP, he instead tried to kill Puck (turns out Puck w/ blink is good at dodging melee heroes).
Feel free to check for yourself at 42:10 replay time.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Shout out to Alchy for self-stun procing himself too.
Thirst gives true sight and bloodrage stops you from using either of those. :/
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As for the pair of cancelled TP's at the end of the game, they knew Puck was there and A) Chose to TP to ancient instead of fountain triggering the cast time increase from 3 to 5 seconds and B) Both had BKB up and chose not to use it before TPing.Last edited by TheButtonmen on Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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He knew they were both there, orb gives vision.In post 682, Lincolm wrote:s4 never knew Dendy in there until the Coil.
Edit: It wasn't treant, it was Necro 3 minions on the courier kill.Last edited by TheButtonmen on Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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I forgot how goddamn hilarious it is to be a snowballing Storm Spirit. Cross-lane dunks don't care about wards or positioning, just hit R and laugh as they sit there flailing in your W as you blow them up. My builds not optimal yet but right now it features 3x null talisman (to get early game strength), only putting 1 point in Q and putting the saved points into stats and just rushing towards Orchid.
My biggest gripes right now are A) shitty camera controls, B) the fucking minimap being on the left side when I'm radiant and C) the terrible servers. I've somewhat mitigated 1 by binding control group 1 to space so I can just double tap it to recent but the inability to have an enemy hero selected and still control your own hero is driving me bonkers. Is there any way to customize the UI to address B and is every game featuring multiple DC's standard or has TI3 just overloaded everything?Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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A) I'd love a combined self-center / self-select button and some way to have another hero selected and still control my own hero mainly.
B) Minimap being on the left side means it is different when minimap moving between Radient / Dire, where as on the right it's equal for both teams.
C) A great deal of random DC's, the latency is fine.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Jungle Centaur Warrunner continues his unexpected and improbably reign of terror. Ganks are generally horrific because he grants everyone in the lane maximum move speed, has massive burst and an aoe stun. His actual jungling starts of slow but becomes incredibly fast once double strike gets leveled.
This shouldn't be working but for some reason (I suspect it's because I'm a baddie playing other baddies) it's working hilariously well.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Huskar nerf is actually really noticeable and hurtful.
By level 11 you're looking at 15 less agility which costs you two armor and 15 base attack speed both of which are actually a severe hit to Huskar as suddenly he's that much easier to kill with physical damage and the 200+% AS steroid on Bezerkers blood means the 15 base attack speed lost is suddenly costing you aronnd 1500 gold worth of attack speed items.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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With the return of duo-lanes, lich sacrifice now giving allied heroes xp and frost armor now effecting ranged heroes fully I'm hoping to see more support Lich.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Figured I'd try a couple rounds of Diretide.
Tons of the Uncommon Recipe and yet not even a single set of common ingridents. :/ If anyone needs a copy of the uncommon recipe give me a shout.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Why guess and make stuff up when you can just link patch notes explaining it? No buying required, can't speak on cost-reward because it's effectively just a re-roll of an item but it seems fine given the worthlessness of 95% of everything.In post 1258, Redelphic wrote:
Not quite sure but I have heard rumors you need to buy limited use items to get them to work? Apparently the cost-reward ratio isn't great either.In post 1257, ArcAngel9 wrote:so how does this crafting thing works anywayz?Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Goodnight sweet prince.Alchemist
Night vision reduced from 1400 to 800
Unstable Concoction maximum shaking duration reduced from 7 to 5.5 (still reaches maximum strength in 5 seconds)
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Sadly crystal maiden int nerf is actually pretty noticable if you're familiar with the hero. She still has amazing click cc and aura so she's still a great learner champ.
I appear to have hit an elo where everyone always picks pudge (this might actually be every elo) but it's working out great with my new found love for Sandking.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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I keep trying to play ward bitch sandking but my opponents all appear to be clownies who are unfamiliar with the song of my people and I end up snowballing to the point that I'm Blink Dagger, Veil of Discord Sandking walking around the map receiving free kills.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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I feel there should be a rule where anyone who gets my courier killed should have to buy me two stacks of wards.
Also I have learned the Kunkka absolutely curb stomps Sandking.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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I just got back into this, I took many months off and I still just play like 1 game a day at incredibly odd hours, I'm super turbo-bad still.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Is Luna a good carry to learn with when you're pretty godawful at this game, if not then who would you suggest when I'm forced to do things other then ward bitch?Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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First game as D.Prophet was not exactly my best showing.
We won solely off the fact that Slardars back was very very strong and no matter how badly I was doing I could still shove waves and melt towers.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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The bracers were because I was going drums but then we got a lot of gold off a push that took 2 towers and racks so I bought an ultimate orb because I was thinking about going linkens (they had pudge / miriana and I was tired of random arrows / hooks).Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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In post 1757, Katsuki wrote:IMO with DP, don't worry too much about building trying to block stuff. Just tank up and you'll become unkillable if your ult is active (heart, shivas, sheep etc).
Is a build like this reasonable? It's not pure tank items but it let me have an impact on fights when my ult was down and helped out the rest of my team.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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I'm debating picking up an early medallion of courage next time because it really spikes my ults damage against soft targets and the stats are both useful to me.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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In post 1735, BBmolla wrote:If you want to run around and wreck everything you could play Death Prophet
Thanks for the suggestion, her learning curve isn't very steep lol. I've been largely just continually pushing with her and trying to take towers even if it ends up trading myself for the tower. I've found that as long as I get my full duration ult off dying isn't so bad because I don't need many items and I'm fairly useless without my ult anyways.
Thoughts on leaving silence at level 1 and putting points into stats boost after maxing Q,E,R? I've found that I really need stats just to help tank up and reduce my mana issues and level 1 silence still does the trick.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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There is two very different ember spirits in pro play at the moment. Here's a very short but decent break down on why teams like C9 are rolling people on Ember and why other teams are completely being destroyed when they pick Ember.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
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Do you really have the mana to use it often enough to really gain benefit from maxing it? If you want damage it seems that critical strike does a better job.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up-
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TheButtonmen Buns of Steel
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Huh didn't think of Soul Ring, that might work.
I was building standard boring stuff like Treads, Armlet, Drums with BKB or going towards AC if I was doing good.Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up-
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TheButtonmen Buns of Steel
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