Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER


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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:27 am

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eventi
(7): Netherspite, pistachi0n, TheDominator37, davesaz, duppin, Thesp, Persivul
(Lynched!)

TheDominator37
(3): eventi, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius
Netherspite
(2): Alchemist21, Firebringer
Persivul
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(0):
None.


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Alchemist21 will be prodded

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-26 00:30:00)

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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:01 pm

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eventi wasn't sure why he was here. A jittery crowd gathered around what looked like a wooden stage, if not for a structure in the middle that took the shape of an upside down "L". Hanging down from the top part of the platform's centerpiece, a taut noose gently responded to the cool breeze.

As his reckoning drew near, eventi took courage... and then promptly lost it as the finality of death struck him deeper than a Bardiche could cut through a living man. Coincidentally, at the moment eventi was having this existential inner turmoil, a shadow-eh figure grinned. From out of nowhere an actual Bardiche flew and twirled through the air and hit eventi square in the front his leg, instantly killing him.


Spoiler: Flip
eventi,
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, was lynched D1
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:06 pm

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It is now night one. Please submit all actions to me before night ends, which will be 2 days from this post's timestamp. I'll put up a deadline counter in a bit


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Deadline(expired on 2015-07-27 18:06:00)
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:24 pm

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A new day dawns. And with it brings the smell of the morning dew, flowers, and those fresh edibles that other people seem to have baked really really early. But there's this other smell:


Spoiler:
Firebringer,
vanilla townie
, brought the fire a little too close to his entire body N1! (He's dead, Jim)


Day 2 begins now!

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Not Voting
(11): All Alone, Ankamius, Alchemist21, TheDominator37, davesaz, pistachi0n, Netherspite, duppin, RadiantCowbells, Thesp, Persivul

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-12 13:10:00)


Spoiler: players, important links, and deadlines
Living PlayersNetherspite
Not_Mafia (replaces Persivul; PMysterious)
davesaz (replaces Sword Master)
pistachi0n
TheDominator37
RadiantCowbells
All Alone
duppin
Alchemist21
Thesp
Ankamius (replaces Quaroath)


Poor Dead SOBseventi,
Vanilla Townie
, lynched Day 1
Firebringer,
Vanilla Townie
, died Night 1


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Deadline2015-08-12 14:10:00
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:37 pm

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A quick review of Firebringer leads me to believe either Netherspite is scum, or scum tried to frame him with the NK choice.

Now to reread the twilight to see if there was any useful info gleaned from it.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:49 pm

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In post 617, eventi wrote:
In post 615, Ankamius wrote:I'm liking Nether less and less as time goes on for all this emphasis on information from lynches.


Sadly, he's proven town in twilight


I agree with this. The twilight posts point to Netherspite as Town, and even more so to RC as Town.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:49 pm

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There was some debate over whether or not Persivul was acting like he did in his scum-game. Nether said he was because of his entrance, Pers said he wasn't because in the previous game he voted to lynch both of his buddies.

Two things:

1. I was playing that game too, and he only voted his buddies after they turned up mafia after cop investigation.
2. Eventi flipped town. Since we don't know who the scum are, we don't know if Persivul is defending them or bussing them, so at this point, it's a moot argument.
3. I thought it was weird that Pers went from "hammering eventi is scum" to "now that we don't have much time left, I take that back, hammering is good but I'm not going to hammer yet" to finally hammering eventi, the town player.

I will probably vote Persivul today.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:03 pm

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In post 550, All Alone wrote:I can see Thesp as scum. The way he backed off of pistachi0n when I suspected him seemed like he was more concerned with staying out of trouble than he was with sorting her.


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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:23 pm

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I can't fathom the Firebringer kill at all.

VOTE: TheDominator

Eventi wagon was heavily scum driven. We should look there first, and let's start with the guy whom was universally scumread but still managed to survive over someone who only a few people scumread.

Btw claiming scum and getting my hopes up is evil
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:17 pm

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VOTE: Dominator

When people claim a Slayer's gambit you can see a shift in their play after they reveal they were gambiting. There's no such shift in Dom's ISO, so I'm comfortable putting a vote here.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:12 pm

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Okay, I'm resetting my reads. The Firebringer kill disturbs me a lot and I can't think of any reason why he would be the kill over half of the players still alive.

That'll happen sometime tomorrow.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:25 pm

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First of all, I want to publicly admit that I was dumb.
Sorry,
eventi
. Now your twilight behavior makes sense.
I still believe your tunneling me was as dumb as my tunneling on you though.

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Given those 2 flips, I can no longer see
TheDominator37
as town.

VOTE: TheDominator37
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:53 pm

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In post 630, Alchemist21 wrote:
I agree with this. The twilight posts point to Netherspite as Town, and even more so to RC as Town.

Agreed. eventi's twilight ploy did a lot of good. I mostly thought nether was a townie caught in tunneling, and the twilight discussion solidified this. Nw also leaning town on you for picking up on it.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:02 am

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In post 631, pistachi0n wrote:There was some debate over whether or not Persivul was acting like he did in his scum-game. Nether said he was because of his entrance, Pers said he wasn't because in the previous game he voted to lynch both of his buddies.

I was online when phase started but purposely waited to see who would push me despite the fact I was vindicated by the flip. Here it is, and I'm glad it's pistachio. I've played twice with him. Once he was town, once he was scum, and there isn't much difference. This is a nice indicator.

Two things:

Three actually, but who's counting.
1. I was playing that game too, and he only voted his buddies after they turned up mafia after cop investigation.

There was no cop investigation of eventi and I voted him, so this indicates I'm town.
2. Eventi flipped town. Since we don't know who the scum are, we don't know if Persivul is defending them or bussing them, so at this point, it's a moot argument.

I bucked the consensus and fought to save a person from lynch, and that person flipped green. That's not a moot point, that's a town indicator.
3. I thought it was weird that Pers went from "hammering eventi is scum" to "now that we don't have much time left, I take that back, hammering is good but I'm not going to hammer yet" to finally hammering eventi, the town player.

And I'm more sure you're scum. This behavior is very common on D1. D1 lynches frequently end up being compromises as deadline approaches in order to get information. And the information has been very helpful.
I will probably vote Persivul today.

In my experience it's scum who say things like this - float a trial balloon and see how it goes over.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:21 am

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I mostly agree with the
Persivul
's posts, however one point is invalid:

In post 638, Persivul wrote:
There was no cop investigation of eventi and I voted him, so this indicates I'm town.


The argument was that you voted your scumpartners only because they were investigated by the cop.
eventi
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:21 am

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EBWOP: "with the
Persivul
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:22 am

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Um, we are not going to lynch TheDominator (at least not right now). That train is most likely scum driven.
I thought TheDominator was town, but I revaluated him after eventi flipped town. His reaction to eventi during the end phase of the day also felt very genuine. I actually do think he is town, but his play yesterday was very questionable.
Anyway, let us be honest guys. What train did you expect scum to push on today? TheDominator's (if he wasn't scum obviously).

I do not like this train, and if you are town you need to figure out who the scum (could be more) is between:
RC, Alchemist and Nether.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:33 am

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In post 641, duppin wrote:Um, we are not going to lynch TheDominator (at least not right now). That train is most likely scum driven.
I thought TheDominator was town, but I revaluated him after eventi flipped town. His reaction to eventi during the end phase of the day also felt very genuine. I actually do think he is town, but his play yesterday was very questionable.
Anyway, let us be honest guys. What train did you expect scum to push on today? TheDominator's (if he wasn't scum obviously).

I do not like this train, and if you are town you need to figure out who the scum (could be more) is between:
RC, Alchemist and Nether.


I don't think either of
RadiantCowbells
or
Alchemist
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Speaking of the train, if
TheDominator37
is town then I believe scum has equal incentive to push it as town has. Because his play yesterday was really weird and his gambit looked worse and worse the more time passed since (because he didn't change his play after the 'gambit' and because the results of his 'gambit' were weak). Considering the flips, I highly doubt he's town. So I think he can be genuinely scumread by town (and I do scumread him as town so this adds to the point for me).
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:46 am

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So I guess I got it wrong twice...
Maybe go the opposite and nether and rc
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:48 am

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VOTE: alc for now
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:50 am

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In post 642, Netherspite wrote:

I don't think either of
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or
Alchemist
are scum.

Speaking of the train, if
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is town then I believe scum has equal incentive to push it as town has. Because his play yesterday was really weird and his gambit looked worse and worse the more time passed since (because he didn't change his play after the 'gambit' and because the results of his 'gambit' were weak). Considering the flips, I highly doubt he's town. So I think he can be genuinely scumread by town (and I do scumread him as town so this adds to the point for me).


This statement rings a little hollow, considering you were the first one to push the train on RC. I agree that this might be the case though, and perhaps TheDominator is scum. At the moment though, I am inclined to believe he is not. So you are saying three town instantly pushed a train on a (suspicious) player? Possible, but unlikely.
If you do not think RC and Alchemist are scum, then you are probably scum yourself.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:51 am

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I mean the first one to push the train on TheDominator.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:08 am

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Why three town can't instantly push a train on a suspicious player? This happens often.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:11 am

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Okay, let us assume TheDominator is town.

How often does 3 townies d2 instantly vote on another town?
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:14 am

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I do believe there is at least one scum between the three of you. You trying to buddy up to them "I don't think either of RadiantCowbells or Alchemist are scum." is worth noting.

In post 636, Netherspite wrote:
Given those 2 flips, I can no longer see
TheDominator37
as town.


This post is very suspicious as well, because your read is based on the flip of eventi and the NK. So if you are a mafia and wanted to force a lynch on TheDominator, this is exactly how you would do not.

Anyway your d1 was very towny, I am not saying you are the scum, but it is possible. I'd like you to revaluate Alchemist and RC when you have the time.

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