FF7 Mafia (Game Over)

[Psychlone]

meanwhile, you're missing gigantic scum glares from Titus - even if you ignore her "frustration", nothing she's done has been town, and she's dropped her greatest scum tell (the presence of a consultant mindset) at least once over the course of the game.

I think she's had posts that point towards a consultant mindset, but a couple posts don't make a whole. She still has a very defiant tone in the early game and isn't really interested in working with people because she can't fully trust them (look at her questioning my town read in her when GiF and I were basically lone rangers in townreading her).

[Psychlone]

I also think the "oh Titus never makes helpful posts as town" breakdown in the post you linked is not good because its pattern matching: I also can't imagine a single reason why Titus would do that as scum and not town.

[Psychlone]

And no the paraphrased is not exactly what you said but.

[Psychlone]

I also don't believe that you would walk in here and just push me as scum without making any effort at all to actually, you know, *look* at what I've said about Titus this game first. it doesn't make any sense if you really wanted to sort me here. why would you not even attempt to interact with me first even if you *were* limited to phone posting?

Two reasons:

First, I hoped I could bait you into a push on me. I won't be able to kick it into full gear until I get a strong scum read and I figured you as scum in a good position might flex into a push on me while I'm having a shaky start, and I'd be much more comfortable engaging you and lynching you than fighting the world.

Secondly, I'm playing with a sense of urgency that doesn't really lend itself to questions first, push later.

[pieguyn]

I also think the "oh Titus never makes helpful posts as town" breakdown in the post you linked is not good because its pattern matching: I also can't imagine a single reason why Titus would do that as scum and not town.

oh bullshit

1. she considers going out of her way to act like she's helping town to be an easy way to get town read as scum. this is most likely why I think she does it and it would explain why she often points out or does stuff that is, in reality, really silly or unnecessary to do (requesting the mod to put someone on V/LA is not something I'd expect anyone to think about and, if I'm being perfectly honest, it's not something a mod should even respond to in the first place bc it's the player's responsibility

2. she knows she occasionally attempts to request standard things such as VCs or prods or attempts to lead town when the situation calls for it (Elements game), and attempts to emulate this aspect of her town game as scum, but doesn't know how to do it properly and overdoes it as a result

both of these are possibilities I pointed out in that post. it is not "pattern matching", and you can't act like there's no motivation-based reason for it. and, in all seriousness, you also can't act like when she literally *never* does something as town, but does it all the time as scum, it doesn't mean jack shit. the obvious conclusion here is not that it's just a huge massive coincidence and she somehow wound up doing it exclusively as one alignment, it's that you just aren't seeing what the reason behind it is.

I'll read the rest later when it's not 5:30 AM and I'm not about to pass out.

[Psychlone]

she also tried to claim I was "lying" about her meta by linking a game I *wasn't even in*, when I had 1. linked the game I was referring to, 2. outright stated GIF and I had hydra'ed in the game in my actual post. what does this make more sense as? town who actually believes what they're saying (the fact it's Titus does not change this - I strictly maintain that if you sit down and look at it for a while you can kinda sorta see where her thought processes are coming from when she's town)? or scum who isn't sure how to respond, so they start flooding the thread with bullshit which is blatantly false in order to get people to accept it as truth without actually reading it (which, surprise, is something that she does in the vast majority of her scum games)?

Wouldn't mind Titus responding to this.

[Psychlone]

Looking through the consultant point again.

[Frogging Mollie]

I also don't believe that you would walk in here and just push me as scum without making any effort at all to actually, you know, *look* at what I've said about Titus this game first. it doesn't make any sense if you really wanted to sort me here. why would you not even attempt to interact with me first even if you *were* limited to phone posting?

Two reasons:

First, I hoped I could bait you into a push on me

. I won't be able to kick it into full gear until I get a strong scum read and I figured you as scum in a good position might flex into a push on me while I'm having a shaky start, and I'd be much more comfortable engaging you and lynching you than fighting the world.

Secondly, I'm playing with a sense of urgency that doesn't really lend itself to questions first, push later.

jesu fucking christ no

good god this is what we need to lynch

[Psychlone]

ISO#78 where she makes a huge deal that "town has lost" because people were hard town reading one of the scum reads she was pushing could potentially be this. I wasn't in this game but it is a scum game that I found when looking through her games.

How does this fit in the tell?

[Frogging Mollie]

can we plz lynch this

[Frogging Mollie]

you have yet to drop your towntell

[Psychlone]

ISO#78 where she makes a huge deal that "town has lost" because people were hard town reading one of the scum reads she was pushing could potentially be this. I wasn't in this game but it is a scum game that I found when looking through her games.

How does this fit in the tell?

Actually, give me time to fully research it. Caught some things while going through games, but nothing huge yet.

What do you think about Titus self-voting and claiming vanilla?

[Psychlone]

And about all of her play centering around giving up?

[Fresh]

Yeah. I'm not really feeling it now. I think Titus really might be town. Eff me.

VOTE: Antagonist

I don't know if I like this post. Actually I don't like it at all.

You should lynch it.

[Psychlone]

Vote: Fresh

The only thing you've done all game is show up and posture.

[Varsoon]

Don't get Fresh with him.

[Psychlone]

you have yet to drop your towntell

We don't plan to just to make your life harder.

[Titus]

she also tried to claim I was "lying" about her meta by linking a game I *wasn't even in*, when I had 1. linked the game I was referring to, 2. outright stated GIF and I had hydra'ed in the game in my actual post. what does this make more sense as? town who actually believes what they're saying (the fact it's Titus does not change this - I strictly maintain that if you sit down and look at it for a while you can kinda sorta see where her thought processes are coming from when she's town)? or scum who isn't sure how to respond, so they start flooding the thread with bullshit which is blatantly false in order to get people to accept it as truth without actually reading it (which, surprise, is something that she does in the vast majority of her scum games)?

Wouldn't mind Titus responding to this.

Seiko outright said that she was in "Faith Plus One" and that I was scum. The statement is untrue. As far as her "link" is concerned, I didn't and don't care. Her link cannot prove I was scum in a game where I was town.

She does this repeated moving the goalposts thing, so I am not inclined to think this was a mistake. How often do people a meta dive, mention a game, but explicitly want the results of some games discounted but not others?

She's maintaining that I flood the thread with bullshit when I don't know how to respond. As seen in my thread on how to read myself, I don't bullshit or lie as scum, as I am not good at it and its not very effective.

For someone who meta dived me, I find it hard to believe that they missed the fact that her push (minus the consultant thing) looks like every other mislynched, such as XMEN and Pathfinder. Push Titus so hard with so much bullshit and then blame her for wasted or spammy posting when she defends herself. That way if the lynch fails, there's still policy.

She's claiming that the consultant/helpful isn't the only thing in her case. Just like my push on Varsoon wasn't a push. She retcons that and says that wasn't the point and she can't sum up her point on me "pushing" or "not pushing" Varsoon in a sentence or two.

It's a constant set of moving goalposts so she doesn't have to interact with me. She's all too happy to use the trap excuse ika provides but really any excuse to not interact with me is fine by Seiko.

[Flubbernugget]

Not caught up

Something something psychlone wagon something something more psychlone activity

[Titus]

[Quote]You also can't act like when she literally *never* does something as town, but does it all the time as scum, it doesn't mean jack shit.[/b]

The very game she "mistakenly" references proves this to be wrong.

[Titus]

You also can't act like when she literally *never* does something as town, but does it all the time as scum, it doesn't mean jack shit.

The very game she "mistakenly" references proves this to be wrong.

Fixed

[Titus]

Singer, I had no luck proving it. I could take the time but it is in our best interests to lynch me. I could fight and possibly win, but my loss is less in the scheme of things. As long as I am alive, scum have no reason to vote each other. Compromise lynches land on town. Scum will keep the focus on me. Every moment I fight for my own selfish desires, is a moment stolen from scumhunting. Just promise when I flip town to avoid lynching my townreads without good reason.

Stay strong, buckle down, keep fighting.

It might be a selfish desire of my own, but I need you in this game as another person to play off. I'm not a person who plays well alone, and most of the people I would work with normally are buckled down in positions I really can't agree with.

The only way you can speak to the thread after death is by fighting like hell and making that green flip feel like a loss.

If you need me, I will fight. Just don't have this become a shit show. If you need my stubbornness, that is something I can provide.

VOTE: Seiko

[Varsoon]

Wait, your push on me wasn't a push?
D:

[Titus]

Wait, your push on me wasn't a push?
D:

That's what she said.

[Varsoon]

;_;