Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[T S O]

We refers to who Sonic Boom blocked. I see zero point in letting scum know if I am onto them or not.

~Titus

But there's been a kill every night, so presumably you're not onto them.

[Sonic Boom]

We refers to who Sonic Boom blocked. I see zero point in letting scum know if I am onto them or not.

~Titus

But there's been a kill every night, so presumably you're not onto them.

Nope. There's multiple scum. I don't presume EVERY scum has to go out for a kill. Just one.

~Titus

[Wickedestjr]

Bah! I read it correctly but fucked my own post up, as I've been publicly townreading Peregrine.

(*less likely)

I probably should have assumed that's what you meant. Sorry...

I think Jaqen his town for all of his ridiculous/disagreeable behavior. You might have missed it, but on day 1 he called the scum team Bins/Sonic/ZZZX/Cerb with significant confidence. It's looking like he was completely wrong - I have trouble imagining him express so much confidence if he knew he were very wrong. In general, none of his play demonstrates a desire to fly under the radar or get on town's good side.

Nacho's largely a gut read. I remember getting strong town vibes from his predecessor Tere. I don't think Tere would have replaced out as scum. I don't get the impression that Nacho's trying to earn town points...

[Jaqen Hghar]

@Jaquen, your VCA please.

Also, we aren't outing who was blocked. Sorry Jaquen. That's not happening.

~Titus

There's no town reason not to. What are you hiding?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Wicked. That a man is wrong on two counts out of four isn't making him completely wrong. That's half wrong. And for the record, not that it's going anywhere because either I'm horribly wrong or you're all duped into following scum.

VOTE: Sonic

There's literally no reason for them to not out who they blocked if they are town. It's not like they stopped a kill. If there were any reason to not out something that would have been when they outed the role locker if they really think Cerb is town.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And I'll do a VCA that Titus is going to say is not VCA when I get off work.

[Sonic Boom]

Jaquen, you're not getting towncred by being dumb.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't know what to do. Someone give me a wagon to sheep for now.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaquen, you're not getting towncred by being dumb.

And?

[Jaqen Hghar]

I don't know what to do. Someone give me a wagon to sheep for now.

Sonic

[mastin2]

Alright, I should have the time for this, now.

Assuming my mental state holds, I should be good to go.

[Lying Cat]

You have about 10 hours before I hammer.

[mastin2]

(1) If Anti were going to give us an extension then he would have given it by then. We needed three replacements several days before deadline hit. How long was he going to wait? Five hours before deadline- 'oh by the way, here's more time'.

Yeah? He's the mod. His game, his rules. If he needs replacements (especially if two of the slots he needs replaced are lynch candidates), deadline extension is the natural course of action. What kind of idiot mod do you have to be to

not

grant an extension when there's replacements at deadline?

(2) I advocated Kari over Aristo just like you did

No, I advocated they were both town. Was wrong, sure, but I was advocating for your lynch.

(Why is it that all the players that are stubborn about me are town? Signs and Void, now this game. )

Reconvinced myself that Nacho is town...

This is a perfect opportunity to show me where my Nacho read is wrong, but raging against me is a wholly ineffective way to get me to listen to you.

That's the thing, I'm not 100% in the Nacho read. I

think

he's scum, I don't know for sure he's scum, there's some things which suggest it and some which might suggest he's not, I haven't had the chance to analyze in detail and really, really think about it, but presumably, I'll get a chance sooner rather than later. (Can't stay in this funk forever.)

...Yet if I die BEFORE I get that chance, well, there's your answer.

Of all the players in the game, none have more reason to nightkill me than Nacho. He might let me live because I'm going all bravado, "LYNCH NACHO IF I DIE!", but

I want him to let me live

. Basically, it's one gigantic game of wifom which I'm trying to be on the winning side of.

Let's say we lynch ika today - what's the likelihood of you getting night killed tonight?

If Nacho's scum?

Pretty damn high.

Otherwise?

Who the HECK would kill off not-currently-confirmed-town for the sake of framing Nacho, when there's a dangerously-high number of them in the game? The only reason to not kill conftown is to hunt for the commute-inventor, which I admit is a good thing for us if scum do, but them targeting me would be a risk they most likely will deem they can't afford. (For obvious reasons, I can't say anymore; it's kinda tricky getting things worded right as it is. But basically, scum other than Nacho are likely not going to nightkill me; Scum including Nacho might not nightkill me, but are the group most likely TO nightkill me.)

[mastin2]

Unvote. Vote: ika

This is getting ridiculous. He needed rope a long time ago.

^Pretty much. I mean, when I think about it...the only thing I can think about when it comes to ika is that the only reason I didn't go after him sooner is that my reads were stronger elsewhere.

He's pretty much confscum in every possible way by now, so he makes a good lynch for today.

Do keep my words in mind in regards to Nacho, though, if I die.
Anyone else this game being scum you can catch.
Anyone else this game being scum you'll be able to find.
But if Nacho's scum, he WILL weasel his way out of it.

[mastin2]

My contribution so far has been rubbish due to two reasons; I was investing myself more in another game which I felt required my presence more than this game did.

This one I get. (Because, duh. Guilty as charged.) Second point, though, I'd make an argument to the contrary.

And by the way, reemphasizing, TSO is town.

[mastin2]

Like how much time? He's been here a month, and has 111 posts.

It's more a matter of...how do I explain it? This is a concept that I don't exactly have words for. It's not a matter of his posts in the game so much. So much as it is me, outside the game, honing in mentally on Nacho. It's something that takes a lot of focus. Some of it is based on the game content, yeah, but it's actually mostly based off of out-of-game contextual things: thinking about what Nacho's been like as of late (because his play, like every players', shifts with time), thinking about him as a person with things that should never change, thinking about general tells and whether said general tells are applicable to Nacho, trying to remember old Nacho tells and thinking about whether they may still hold validity or not, and I'm doing most of this in my head, supported by a little bit in the game thread.

And the picture I've got right now is that I

think

he's scum, but I'm not absolutely

sure

he is. Believe me, you'd know if I was. (I wouldn't accept an ika lynch, ika's probability of being scum be damned, if I was fully confident that Nacho was scum.)

[mastin2]

a man is also good with flash lynching (not wagoning, LYNCHING) naught-but-excuses.

I've had a very bad day.
So I'm going to keep things as civil as they can be.
And say, very politely...

Jaqen...fuck you.

That will be all. I'm not speaking about this again.

A man isnt trying to end this day before figuring out what Cerb is crumbing thats soooo "protown" that he cant share it

with

town, even though if what he's saying is true (and that one is actually town) he is dying tonight and we are knowing by tomorrow anyhow.

Commute. inventor.

You can be pretty dang sure the commute inventor is protecting Cerb tonight.

[mastin2]

I don't like PeregrineV's vote for TSO.

Nor I.

And, for the record, TSO's defense of the ika wagon is hilariously. HILARIOUSLY. town.
And not in the sthar-defending-Mala way, in the "this couldn't get more genuine" sort of way.

[mastin2]

It seems unlikely for scum to forget about their buddies in their readslist. It's not concrete, but it makes me lean town.

Eh, playing devil's advocate, I'd actually find it slightly

more

likely for a scum player to forget their scumbuddy in a readslist.

But this is me playing devil's advocate because LC's town anyway. It's pretty much at the point where to lynch them, you'd almost have to go through me first.

[mastin2]

I would check the ika wagon composition for scum but scum are bussing like fuck there. Guaranteed.

Fairly safe assumption, yeah.

Definitely gonna have at least one there, but it very well may be both. I'd have to check the wagon and give it a serious think-through to see about it, though, for sure.

[mastin2]

I don't get the impression that Nacho's trying to earn town points...

I'm not absolute on it, but there's definitely the trend there.

His timing of the switch onto Aristophanes was at the point where it was fairly probable Aristophanes was getting lynched, yet early enough where he would earn towncred from the flip.

His willingness to vote me is a nice way to appease to players also willing to vote me. (It's also one of the largest factors in making me think he could be scum, because he of all people--ESPECIALLY him!--should have known

exactly

what I meant and why my inactivity was null.)

Then his reversal into me being town is a good way to appeal to me, with his votes (vezok, ika) being such that they are on exactly the right spots for cheap, easy towncred, yet there's not a Nacho passion. There isn't a Nacho drive.

[Jaqen Hghar]

a man is also good with flash lynching (not wagoning, LYNCHING) naught-but-excuses.

I've had a very bad day.
So I'm going to keep things as civil as they can be.
And say, very politely...

Jaqen...fuck you.

That will be all. I'm not speaking about this again.

A man isnt trying to end this day before figuring out what Cerb is crumbing thats soooo "protown" that he cant share it

with

town, even though if what he's saying is true (and that one is actually town) he is dying tonight and we are knowing by tomorrow anyhow.

Commute. inventor.

You can be pretty dang sure the commute inventor is protecting Cerb tonight.

Roleblock. Inventor.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)

Just noticing this while getting my VCA ready. Scum

do

love camping a scumbuddy who isn't being lynched D1.

[mastin2]

Forgot to add this bit about Nacho:
I have it on good authority that Nacho's not exactly in prime playing condition right now, which is again one of the reasons the read isn't stronger. (Among other things. It's...complicated? I really wish I could explain the dynamic there between Nacho and myself, but it's very difficult to do. Like, I can explain the dynamic between LC and myself but am intentionally choosing not to. With Nacho, I'm not sure I

can

.)

[Jaqen Hghar]

Constantine - 5 (PeregrineV, vezokpiraka,

ZZZX

,

Mac

,

Flubbernugget

)

1 scum expected, one found

Sonic Boom - 6 (mastin2, T S O, Constantine, Nacho,

Jaqen Hghar, hiplop

)

1 scum expected
(100x1)/4
25pts ea

hiplop

- 7 (Sonic Boom, vezokpiraka,

Mac

, Nacho,

ZZZX, Flubbernugget

, Cerberus v666)

2 scum expected
(100x2)/4
50 pts ea

hiplop

- 5 (vezokpiraka,

ZZZX

,

Flubbernugget

, Sonic Boom, Nacho)

1 scum expected
(100x1)/3
33 pts ea

Bins

- 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2,

Jaqen Hghar

, Wickedestjr,

hiplop

)

hiplop

- 8 (vezokpiraka,

ZZZX, Flubbernugget

, Sonic Boom, Nacho, T S O,

Bins

, Cerberus v666)
Constantine - 1 (

Mac

)
Sonic Boom - 1 (Constantine)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

Bins Wagon
1 scum expected
(100x1)/3
33 pts ea

hiplop wagon
2 scum expected
(100x2)/5
40 pts ea

hiplop

- 7 (Nachomamma8, vezokpiraka,

Flubbernugget

, Sonic Boom, Constantine,

ZZZX

, Wickedestjr)

2 scum expected
(100x2)/5
40 pts ea

Aristophanes

- 5 (Constantine,

Flubbernugget

, T S O, PeregrineV, Sonic Boom)
Kari - 5 (

Aristophanes

, vezokpiraka, Nachomamma8, mastin2, Wickedestjr)

Aristophanes Wagon
1 scum expected
(100x1)/4
25 pts ea

Kari Wagon
2 scum expected
(100x2)/4
50 pts ea

Aristophanes

- 8 (

Flubbernugget

, T S O, PeregrineV, Sonic Boom, Constantine, Cerberus v666, Nachomamma8,

Jaqen Hghar

)

PeregrineV - 4 (

Aristophanes

, vezokpiraka, Wickedestjr, Lying Cat)
Wickedestjr - 1 (mastin2)

Not Voting: ika[/color]

2 scum expected
(100x2)/6
33 pts ea

ika - 6 (Sonic Boom, Cerberus v666, mastin2, vezokpiraka, Wickedestjr, Nachomamma8)

Ika wagon, TBD

*****************************

Nacho- 238

Sonic- 218

Vezok- 213

T S O- 123

Constantine- 123

Cerb- 123

Wickedestjr- 123

Mastin- 108

PeregrineV- 58

Lying Cat- 33


Scum Probability, Highest to Lowest

Lying Cat- 33
Sonic- 218
Vezok- 213
PeregrineV- 58
Mastin- 108
Wickedestjr- 123
T S O- 123
Cerb- 123
Constantine- 123

Nacho clearly has the voting pattern of a VT, and was eliminated from having any chance of being scum.


Oddly, Ika is on nothing...