Tammy 743 wrote:Oh wait, I suppose he could be a vig shot and the real kill was healed.
Wicked 744 wrote:Yeah I
seriously
doubt that's a mafia kill
ffrey 747 wrote:Also I agree sans evidence of two kills in the game that the gnomeo kill doesn't look like a target by mafia.
He had no votes at the end of the day. ffrey put forth a pretty solid defense of him yesterday. I mean, this seems like a odd jump to make right off the bat. Granted, I have no problem with Gnomeo being a potential vig shot... but he's just as valid a mafia shot as any. I mean, I can think of a few better ones, but it wasn't horrible. Perhaps he was on the right track scumhunting wise? I would not automatically assume that he wasn't a mafia shot. I would need to see something more substantial (e.g. multiple kills/role cop/no kill/etc).
ffrey 747 wrote:RC, in your hammer post you indicated an Anen lynch wouldn't be too informative, but there might be something to glean from his reads. What do you glean?
Based solely on the flip? implosion. Possibly Nacho. That comment about shadowing is probably the best one. Which players were padding the wagon, either acknowledging that or not, while trying to back away from that vote? Do you get what I'm saying? Like... which players were on the wagon but not really "on" it. Or were at least giving that impression.
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I was really ready to vote notscience today, but I like his back and forth with ffrey from
749 to
761... so that kind of pisses me off because now I have to make a harder choice with my vote unless someone can sell me back to notscience.
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In post 776, Wickedestjr wrote:-He expressed a decent amount of uncertainty as he was casting the vote.
-He said that he thinks, "Ane has some directions we may look at tomorrow regardless as to what alignment he flips." But this is a very weird comment for him to make when his top three "Anen, notscience, Layla" was completely different from Anen's top three. I'm curious what your answer to ffery's question will be.
-This comment:
RedCoyote wrote:If we can get out of the day with good discussion, no claims except for a VT and some clear input from the person being lynched... that's about as successful a D1 as town can have.
feels like setup for a known mislynch.
My first reaction to this is frustration. I see where you are coming from, and I can appreciate that you're trying to go in a new direction in light of the two flips, but I hate how predictable players in this game are sometimes.
1) Of course I was uncertain. I thought the Ane lynch was a reasonable one. I wasn't convinced he'd flip scum. I mean, odds are the players we lynch will flip town. That's always the case.
2) I sometimes have to wonder if, as town, I need to just start being as dishonest as I am as scum. I mean, Wicked, you're essentially telling me to not be straight with you. You know what I think is straight? Telling people that a D1 lynch where you get no claims other than one VT, lynching said VT, and having them flip VT is a pretty good result for the town. That's sensible. It's not ideal, no, but that's a pretty good outcome, all things considered. Every time I find myself in a position to say that (it doesn't happen every game due to themes, early claims, early hammers, individual reads, etc), it's inevitable someone comes after me for that with some version of that same line.
...and because of all this, I like pie's
785 a lot.
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Going back in time a bit...
In post 683, Vinkah wrote:okay. i really don't know where to push outside Anen at the moment and it is absolutely scaring the shit out of me. the longer this day is proceeding the less my townreads are staying firm. and its nothing more than paranoia.
VOTE: Vinkah
A lot of people have used similar lines, but I don't like Vinkah's. Now that Ane has flipped, this just doesn't sit as well with me. There's something about riding the Ane wagon all day mixed with the contradictory nature of this post (see: "I don't know where to push outside Ane" vs "the less my townreads are staying firm" vs "it's due to paranoia"). Well, no, it's not due only to "paranoia" as there's certainly more than one scum.
Look, you know, we have to make some difficult choices this game. I realize a lot of Vinkah's posts give off good vibes, but you have to look at the weak posts (of everyone) and find out which seem worse than other people's weak posts. I think Vinkah has some. I think Tammy has a few. implosion, too.
