Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:55 pm

In post 1392, TheDominator37 wrote:VOTE: gray
Just ISOed main points is he never really had any substantial reads, constantly went with the flow, and soft read bulb and is pushing for a KK lynch

This. Explain how any of this was true.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:57 pm

Spoiler:

This is what I need you to respond to.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:58 pm

Please try to do it in the numbered fashion, so I can easily follow.

dragonspawn · Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:42 pm

In post 1419, GrayFoxxxx wrote:DS, all I really have is town reads on you, except for one wierd Misrep. Can you give input on the current state of the game?

What's your view on Dom's vote?

Don't have a problem with it.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:52 pm

In post 1428, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1419, GrayFoxxxx wrote:DS, all I really have is town reads on you, except for one wierd Misrep. Can you give input on the current state of the game?

What's your view on Dom's vote?

Don't have a problem with it.

ok

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:15 am

In post 1422, TheDominator37 wrote:KK what are your reads and why?

Annarchy, WoodyWoodypecker, & Boonskiies are townreads.
I have a much townier feeling about GrayFoxxxx after revisiting my towntell and the meta-info that GrayFoxxxx does certain stupid things as town.
Dragonspawn is on the townside due to his stupid easily fakeable towntell. Which he's not showing any signs of being clever enough to fake it.
TheDominator37 is on the townside because I don't think the Bulbazoor push on MarioManiac4 was bussing.
spicer1209 - I have a townfeeling because we seem to be on a similar wavelength.
pisskop has been better. But I couldn't say I have a town-feeling about him with any confidence.

implosion is most suspicious at the moment. He's not asking any questions or doing any sort of scum-hunting. He's just stating vague wishy-washy feelings (check out 1153) and just seems to be idling in neutral and waiting for the day to pass. He's also currently voting for pisskop, whom he recently called a gut town read.

In post 1159, Boonskiies wrote:• Implosion has leaped to the top for me; I flat out can't see Bulb/Implosion's interactions as Scum v Scum.

Could you explain this? Because I'm really not seeing any major interactions between the two. Bulbazoor mentions implosion as town and implosion had Bulbazoor as a very weak town. Plus towards the end of the day (pre-claim), implosion is makes a weak defense of Bulbazoor (Post 939.

Are you seeing something I'm not?

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:33 am

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:25 am

In post 1431, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Lol

Dota?

implosion · Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:35 am

implosion is most suspicious at the moment. He's not asking any questions or doing any sort of scum-hunting. He's just stating vague wishy-washy feelings (check out 1153) and just seems to be idling in neutral and waiting for the day to pass. He's also currently voting for pisskop, whom he recently called a gut town read.

Yep. Had a pretty draining week at work (and I've also been absorbed in SGDQ). Haven't been able to do as much as I'd like to. As for reads being wishy-washy, that usually happens for me. You can look into meta if you don't believe me. I relatively rarely have a high degree of confidence in reads except for some number of townreads.

I'll post significant content later today, possibly fairly soon.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:12 am

In post 1432, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1431, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Lol

Dota?

Smite

implosion · Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:22 am

Here's where I am at right now.

{dragonspawn, GrayFoxxx, Annarchy} are people that I don't really think I want to look into more right now.
Boonskiies is probably the next towniest in my mind but I do think I need to look at him more closely. I remember reading that Khan said he thought boon was town because he would have bussed bulb harder and at the time i was like "yeah, that's pretty decent" but it isn't a guaranteed kind of thing. But I still don't think I have any desire to look closer at Boon today.

That leaves:
spicer1209
pisskop
TheDominator37
Kublai Khan
WoodyWoodpecker

effectively this is a list of directions that I'm willing to look at right now. Of course I have reasons to think that each of these people is town because that's just how my reads typically work. So I'm by and large trying to figure out which of those reasons is the weakest. This is also why this comment from Khan is somewhat irrelevant:

He's also currently voting for pisskop, whom he recently called a gut town read.

Because, more or less, I have some degree of townread on everyone alive.

Woody is also just on hold until the replacement comes, which is unfortunate.

Spicer and pisskop reads both come largely from conventional gut towntells. I mentioned the posts from pisskop that felt townish. But I think that is relatively speaking one of my weakest reasonings for townreading. There are also some reasons to see him as scum (bulb largely ignored him, his vote felt somewhat like a bus). I guess that's why my vote is on pisskop right now. I think he has some of my weakest reasons to see as town.

I also explained the spicer read. His posting since then is pretty straightforward. The squabble with gray feels somewhat genuine, and I think the reasons I mentioned earlier are a bit stronger than those with regards to pisskop.

Dom I don't think bulb was bussing, probably. The way he gave early and consistent pressure largely guided by meta feels more likely to come from scum trying to misuse meta than scum trying to use accurate meta to bus.

KK I elaborated on recently.

I think my top two right now are KK and pisskop, after looking over everything again, with the Woody slot also needing more investigation when possible.

If someone wants to discuss either of those reads (or any others), today/tomorrow are probably best because next week will likely also be pretty tiring. After that I should (probably) have more energy.

TheDominator37 · Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:34 am

VOTE: ray i can get some reads from this lynch

Sméagol · Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:03 am

May have found a replacement.
I don't think this is done here (?), but I think I'll make a habit out of asking potential replacements to confirm (just like the initial players) before I send a role PM and announce them officially in the game thread. So that's what I'm waiting for.

spicer1209 · Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:22 am

My reads go like this

Town
KK
Woody
Anna
Dragonspawn
Boon
Piss
Grey
Imp
Dom

I would have Grey at the bottom of my list but I think that if he was scum he would stop doing annoying things like post 8 times in a row and putting spoiler tags in posts for no reason other to be a pain in the ass. In fact Im a lot less on his trail than I was before.

As of right now I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Dom wasnt scum. In fact Im going to double check ISO's and give you guys a case here pretty soon. Petty much i thought the Mario slot was scummy and Dom hasnt really helped anything. Ill go into detail more about it once I get my thoughts organized

Imp has rubbed me the wrong way since the beginning. I dont rightly know why all I know is that its just a gut feeling. Like I stated earlier I get get why he get so much town love when he hasnt done anything in my opinion to warrant it. I know something is there I just need to revisit it.

Boon is the ultimate null read. I have no idea what side he is on.

Everyone else is pretty much a town read to this point. I think KK is SCREAMING town. Everything feels from a town perspective and he actually scum hunts. Woody I felt did a lot of town scumhunting and asked the right questions. I thought he was just too abrasive of the player and honestly if he was town its a blessing to us that he replaced out. Although if replaced out because of boon he is a pussy imo. I believe Dragon's towntell and I believe the theory that he is just an oblivious player and that is the reason he posted what he did

Sméagol · Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:29 am

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Persivul · Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:33 am

What's the case on grayfox?

Have there been any claims? Anything known/speculated on the setup?

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:41 am

In post 1436, TheDominator37 wrote:VOTE: ray i can get some reads from this lynch

Dom stop ignoring me.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:42 am

In post 1440, Persivul wrote:What's the case on grayfox?

Have there been any claims? Anything known/speculated on the setup?

Sup dude.

implosion · Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:42 am

Persivul wrote:Have there been any claims? Anything known/speculated on the setup?

Nope. Although I did actually mean to ask this.

Mod

: can we get a full flip for Bulb (i.e., what 'watcher variant' means)?

spicer wrote:As of right now I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Dom wasnt scum. In fact Im going to double check ISO's and give you guys a case here pretty soon. Petty much i thought the Mario slot was scummy and Dom hasnt really helped anything. Ill go into detail more about it once I get my thoughts organized

What's your opinion on bulb's mario push? Does it deter this read at all, or can you see it as a bus?

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:45 am

I'm not sold dom is scum though. I think he is being obtuse

Sméagol · Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:50 am

In post 1443, implosion wrote:

Mod
: can we get a full flip for Bulb (i.e., what 'watcher variant' means)?

Let me think about it. I'm not required to do so.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:56 am

In post 1440, Persivul wrote:What's the case on grayfox?

Have there been any claims? Anything known/speculated on the setup?

Here's a quick rundown.

D1. I vote bulb first, park my vote there, he gets lynched

D2. I say "Well I'm obvtown for doing what I did D1"
A few people say "Well scum COULD that so vote:GF"

Anything after seems to be Spicer being butthurt.

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:58 am

And Dom going VI here recently.

spicer1209 · Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:03 am

In post 1446, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 1440, Persivul wrote:What's the case on grayfox?

Have there been any claims? Anything known/speculated on the setup?

Here's a quick rundown.

D1. I vote bulb first, park my vote there, he gets lynched

D2. I say "Well I'm obvtown for doing what I did D1"

A few people say "Well scum COULD that so vote:GF"

Anything after seems to be Spicer being butthurt.

lol YOU STILL DONT FUCKING GET IT

GrayFoxxxx · Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:03 am