NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Bulbazoor]

Yeah, that is my case on him too. I would love meta. I have only seen him hosting.

[Kitty Galore]

NOOOOO.

DRAGONSPAWN IS MY BESTY.

VOTE: The Cow

For voting my other main man.

Hitting some ISO's and posting my thoughts today.

[TheDominator37]

I'll be waiting kitty

[Keyser Söze]

Intent to lurk for 17 hours

[Kitty Galore]

LOL I don't know why that quote was there. facepalm.

[FA_Q2]

Yeah, that is my case on him too. I would love meta. I have only seen him hosting.

wow, that is oh so convincing.

/sarcasm

[Bulbazoor]

DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT SOMETHING ALREADY STATED?

[TheDominator37]

Sure!

[Kitty Galore]

yea.

VOTE: Dragon

Clearly scum.

So I was supposed to think this was a serious vote?

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

This ^ is what bothers me. A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.

So it's a serious vote for me. And it should be for you too.

OK, I missed this, so it IS serious. Why is this "being guarded"? It seems to me like he is just taking note of the behavior for later, not that he took it seriously as being against him at this time. I can see it looks defensive, but again, it feels like basic DS to me.

@Aeronaut- What is "clearly scum" about that post?

Saying omgus is defensive?

No, not really.

I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)

VOTE: dragonspawn

So, you were happy with your RVS like two posts before this. What makes you change your mind?

VOTE: sword master

Anyone who is called master has to be evil

VOTE: sword master

Anyone who is called master has to be evil

VOTE: Dragonspawn
Anyone who is called spawn is evil!
Confirm

I mean, I don't even think it was OMGUS, more like "you too". Though it wasn't saying OMGUS that the bandwagoners are latching onto, but the post after:

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

The tone isn't really that defensive -- it actually sounds fairly relaxed -- though the meaning behind it is, in the end, defensive. At least, that's what it looks like, I think.

If my understanding of what OMGUS may or may not mean is incorrect, please, someone correct me.

It's not about the OMGUS mention at all, it's the post where he's like "Oh you're voting me and not providing reasoning in RVS? Better put that in my notes TSK TSK!"

Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.

What?

Defensive is your reaction to multiple RVs votes on yourself

Btw how can you make me being defensive the justification for your vote if you vote for me before the post that is supposedly defensive?

I mean it could be his justification for KEEPING his vote on you, but at the same time this is an interesting point.

I liked what the cow said about the DS thing.

@ Aero- concerning the bolded above, How is that alignment indicative? Is it lynch worthy?


I just didn't think any of the things DS did were lynch worthy, from my knowledge of him. I am a noob though, so what do I know?

This is the biggest game I have played, it is daunting. I have kept up with reading, but not able to post when I want to, this is why I am going back over stuff from the beginning.

[Kitty Galore]

Dragon is saying stupid stuff. If I voted on him, it was to pressure him. So stop throwing fake things and fucking fake accusations my way.

I am being framed. And being accused of nothing.

VOTE: dragon

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

Overly defensive early on.

@ Bulb-is being overly defensive in general scummy?

[Shazam]

I agree with the cases on BBT, but as people have already discussed, there is a strong connection between him and dragonspawn. Since I find dragon scummier, I'd prefer to lynch him first and work from there. But you can consider me a potential vote for BBT.

[Garmr]

"Shazam and the scum is gone" should be your motto

[TheDominator37]

I greatly despise this dragon wagon

[dragonspawn]

Looking over myk's posts.

Seems like a very odd night kill unless scum read his vig comment to be vig crumb. Which would be dumb because I can't see why a vig would crumb at all. He was tunneling duppin and soze. Though I can't see much reasoning for them.

Do you find BlueBloodedToffee's choice to push/sheep mykonian's two scum-reasons at the start of D2 as scummy or innocent?

I didn't find them to be alignment indicative at all. I'm townreading bbt for the reasons I've previously mentioned. I think he has been putting in a genuine effort to get responses from people.

[dragonspawn]

Looking over myk's posts.

Seems like a very odd night kill unless scum read his vig comment to be vig crumb. Which would be dumb because I can't see why a vig would crumb at all. He was tunneling duppin and soze. Though I can't see much reasoning for them.

Do you find BlueBloodedToffee's choice to push/sheep mykonian's two scum-reasons at the start of D2 as scummy or innocent?

I greatly despise this dragon wagon

Care to elaborate?

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't find Annie to be alignment indicative at all.

[FA_Q2]

DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT SOMETHING ALREADY STATED?

I want you to add something to the game in general. You have naked votes and then you echo that your reasons are the same as another poster. You said you were going to explain 'in a second' which is a clear lie. Three hours later you simply state that your reasons are the same as another poster. That is not only scummy - it is massively so. It also comes at an interesting time as BBT's wagon gains steam.

BBT is the larger concern here - not only is he more scummy but he is also the stronger player. I think you are his partner though.

[TheDominator37]

My reasons are rather evident dragon and if you don't know then I would rather not say unless you are at like l-2 or 3

[TheDominator37]

Spoiler: FA_Q2's glorious read

....
Really. You all going to pile on an RVS!

Couple more votes on Dragon wagon are needed.

Oh, and Anna is town.

You really want a lynch out the gate here, don't you?

Boon likes to hammer randomly on day one as soon as someone (anyone) gets to L-1.

Okay, just checking. There were no other motivations, then? Alright, thank you : )
Aeronaut has influence enough, then, over you?

Now that dragon has answered, what were you getting at here? I do not understand this line of reasoning.

damn tags

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Hmm . . So Klingon lack of involvement makes her town read while mine makes me slight scum read?

I would like an answer to this as well dragon. Klingon has always been a rather less involved player. I dont remember her upping her game when playing scum. Is there a game that you have played with her that gives you this impression?

Prolapsed needs to post more. Do any players here have experience with them? They would be better of reading them.
In any case, kind of leaning scum at this point, just based on tone and content alone.

I have played a game with him before (NY 185). If I remember correctly, PB might have well been an empty slot. Little posting and zero content and was town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61824

Really not much different than here tbh though I dint see it as any indication that he is town.

Votecount 1.09

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Prolapsed Brain

- (8) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, FA_Q2

Votecount 1.LYNCH

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Prolapsed Brain

- (11) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, <Vote>, FA_Q2, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt -

!!LYNCH!!

You see? In 400 the vote should have been shown before FA, but it wasn't.

I think it's very likely this is a scum PR and is a hidden second vote.

That is a possibility but if that is true then that is one very powerful role. A scum with an extra vote is extremely powerful. The extra kill only intensifies this.


L-2 is NOW L-1 so lets not make the same mistake as we did with pb.

Pushing so hard for PB to L-1 looks VERY suspicious now that there is a hidden vote in play. Not thinking for yourself and sheeping a dead players votes looks scummy as well. Then pushing key because he is posting relevant information (while ignoring the analysis he has been posting thus far) is also scummy as hell.

You are scum bbt.

VOTE: bbt

Here FA seems quite town in IMO. At the start of the game when bbt was going on a crazy "if you don't vote ds you better think your life tisk tisk tisk" fa was one of the few to oppose him. He then went on to do some scum hunting and get this. He actually gave reasons for them. FA is a strong town read for me


Reading through his ISO a new idea sparked. The reason bbt pushed so hard for those wagons to get to l-1 was because he or one of his scum buds was the hidden voter. And the but he was at l-1 thing at the end was an easily faked townslip. I say we lynch bbt immediately

[TheDominator37]

Why do none of my spoilers work :'(
Pisskop please fix

[Keyser Söze]

Who am I kidding, 5 hours later, mafiascum pulls me back in.



New reads, thoughts and ramblings coming up...

[TheDominator37]

[TheCow]

V/LA till Sunday. I apologize now, though it is beyond me, something coming up like this.

[TheDominator37]

FA. I just took a glance at cows ISO and it looked as if he was focused at the start of the game and then as the game progresses his quality in posts declines. I remember you said something about his meta earlier. Can you please post the link? I think I want to look at that game

[TheDominator37]

It's mainly meta but i also have a town read on bulb. When he is town he is jumbled and has no clue about what he or others are doing. But when he is scum he is focused and try Hards. This game i feel as though he fits the town meta part