Newbie 1625: American Spring - Day 5 (DL - 08/31)

[JoramvanVugt]

Just vote for me Aku, you want me lynched so badly

[Akuseru]

Answer my question, please.

[Thespio]

lets say HCL or Thespio dies and turns out town. who would you lynch?

In that situation, if HCL dies, scum is thespio and town wins!. If thespio dies, scum is HCL and town wins!(see how easy that was without you in the mix?). Since you're town it'll be your win too, and it probably wouldn't have been possible without your sacrifice

Do you still see it as illogical or is it because you just don't want to be lynched?

This urks me a little. I think we should be looking at HCL, joram is only against me because OMGUS. Its why he wont explain in depth what his logic is. also joram you never said if you atleast understood my logic.

[JoramvanVugt]

Okay just lynch me.


I die, tonight another townie dies.
4 players left and if both HCL and Thespio are left who do you kill next?
Lets say its HCL, Thespio, Aku and NS left. or maybe switch NS with BBT. who is your next lynch?

[Thespio]

HCL. Aku has been pro town all game, bbt is likely cleared by Micc, so POE is HCL.

[Thespio]

oh and the Stoz wagon makes NS look inno

[Akuseru]

Joram, answer my question please.

im just putting out my vote

In hopes of...what?


What do you plan on achieving by just putting your vote out?

[Akuseru]

oh and the Stoz wagon makes NS look inno

How so?


Anyways, NS is not not scum.

yeah im still trying to figure you out. im not convinced looking at that deadline stuff is the best way to do it either, which is mostly why I haven't bothered to go look.

instead lets talk stubbs and bulba. they are both in my top three as well. Whats your reasoning behind bulba?

It's moreso from a PoE aspect.

hey that's how I feel about you...and kind of bulbazoor too but less so.

wanna join me on Stubbs?

Oh my list, he's the one I least want to lynch.

I'd much rather bulba.

This exchange is from early D2, long before the start of a bulba wagon. Why would scum (already down a NK) say this?

[Thespio]

oh and the Stoz wagon makes NS look inno

How so?


Anyways, NS is not not scum.

yeah im still trying to figure you out. im not convinced looking at that deadline stuff is the best way to do it either, which is mostly why I haven't bothered to go look.

instead lets talk stubbs and bulba. they are both in my top three as well. Whats your reasoning behind bulba?

It's moreso from a PoE aspect.

hey that's how I feel about you...and kind of bulbazoor too but less so.

wanna join me on Stubbs?

Oh my list, he's the one I least want to lynch.

I'd much rather bulba.

This exchange is from early D2, long before the start of a bulba wagon. Why would scum (already down a NK) say this?

Part 1) NS is experienced, he isnt one of the newbies, so its unlikely he would give himself away by refusing to swap and hanging solely with his scum buddy.

Part 2) Is this aimed @ me? if it is im not sure what you want me to say.

[Akuseru]

Part 1) NS is experienced, he isnt one of the newbies, so its unlikely he would give himself away by refusing to swap and hanging solely with his scum buddy.

Why would staying on his scum buddy give himself away? NS was the first to put and keep a serious vote on veegee/bulba. If that lynch went down he'd practically be confirmed town. It would put scum to a disadvantage, but still confirmed town...so yeah, don't see where you're coming from with the "looking scum for hanging on his scum buddy".


Yes the second part was at you as well. I wanted you to read the NS and micc's exchange and give me a reason why you'd think a scum NS would answer like he did.

[Thespio]

@Aku before i answer anything, are you claiming you think he is scum. I have clearly stated that I believed either bulba or him were scum. Not both. I dont think he is scum and the motivation for his convo is because he is town. He isnt dumb, its WIFOM, but i dont see him taking such a risk to lynch stoz that he would wagon and refuse to switch with another scum.

[Akuseru]

No, I think he's more likely to be town and I was trying to get you to see it too. It looks like I misunderstood and thought you were scum reading him. If that's the case, sorry.

who would you like to lynch, thespio?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Henry

Joram is giving off a huge newb town vibes in his latest series of posts.

[Thespio]

No, I think he's more likely to be town and I was trying to get you to see it too. It looks like I misunderstood and thought you were scum reading him. If that's the case, sorry.

who would you like to lynch, thespio?

Im split right now between joram and Henry. You bring up good points about henry, but the cop thing with him throws me for a loop. I do kinda buy that he is a newbie tho and didnt understand.

[Akuseru]

Joram is giving off a huge newb town vibes in his latest series of posts.

How about newbie scum? Why is he more likely town? How do you tell between the two?


I'm not opposed to an HCL lynch, but what is our plan if he flips town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

His whole attitude of 'just lynch me' is not coming from scum.

That's exasperated town.

[Akuseru]

Why would a townie in his position be exasperated?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because he feels like everyone is attacking him and not understanding what he is trying to say?

Is there a single person who hasn't attacked Joram this DP? That's pretty hard to deal with.

[Akuseru]

Is there a single person who hasn't attacked Joram this DP?

...everyone except thespio?

I feel like that response wasn't warranted. Or more like the response doesn't corrspond to the pressure. That's a response to a danger of being accused/targeted/lynched. However the pressure in this case was answering questions he didn't want to respond to (or doesnt have an answer to).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thespio started the day attacking Joram.

I don't see how you feel his reaction wasn't warranted. Every person in the game was attacking him, with 3 of us voting for him; how is that not pressure?

[HenryCabotLodge]

Thespio started the day attacking Joram.

I don't see how you feel his reaction wasn't warranted. Every person in the game was attacking him, with 3 of us voting for him; how is that not pressure?

Phoneposting here so i'm going to be short- I know there's a lot of stuff directed at me that i'll get to later.

It's true everyone had attacked joram today and he seems exasperated, but don't you think there's still substance to the attacks? Do you think it's possible we're cutting him too much slack because he's a newbie? He's been on the chopping block a couple times now and we've collectively explained his scummy play away as being new. How many times are we going to do that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know why you think I am explaining his behaviour as him being new.

That's not what I'm saying.

[Thespio]

At this point POE leads me to believe it is either HCL or Joram. its simple. Micc's Role clears bbt, Aku is pro town, NS is cleared by the stoz wagon, I am town, so for me that leaves HCL & Joram.

[notscience]

Hmm, I'm not sure on Joram. I initially believed it to be him through PoE but I kind of like his recent posting and I think Henry could actually be scum here.

NS, who would you prefer and why?

UNVOTE:

HCL.

Joram still looked town early.

Thespio would be my second preference.

[Thespio]

VOTE: HCL sorry dude but until i start seeing responses and town driven posts my vote will sit here.