Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[Titus]

This is pinging as scum v scum, but I'm not sure how much of that is me just wanting me to keep my original views.

@Boon, I'm not questioning whether a backup vig can exist. I'm questioning whether or not you'd appear as a guilty while a vig is still alive. You technically can't shoot yet if you're honest, so it logically follows that you wouldn't have a gun, thus spicer's guilty is shit or your claim is a lie. However, if you do have a gun, it leaves open the possibility of both of you being town.

I am still feeling both of you are scum and this is a last second gambit to clear one of you, but I should investigate all the possibilities before being certain. If we know there has to be a scum between the two of you, we can narrow down the lynch pool to you both.

[spicer1209]

Also, why the hell would I claim back up 1 shot vig as scum. That's a horrible claim.

Because its the only thing you CAN claim. The vig came out so you cant claim vig and what other town role other than cop has a gun. You had to claim something. Its a horrible claim but its all you have. You cant weasel your way out of this.

Ill break it down like this.

You can believe Boon's claim about how he is the 1 shot back up vig, I am the scum gunsmith, and that the scum has all these investigative roles. We lynch me today and I flip town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation

or

You can believe that I am the Town gunsmith and got a 100% factual read on Boon that he has a gun after which I waited to reveal after the vig came out. We lynch Boon and he flips town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation.

Those right there are the two worst case scenarios. Now under which situation would you rather be in a 3-2 LYLO? The one where you believed a result in which even the person who was investigated says is true. Or the situation where you believed the person in question is a back up one shot vig and the person getting the results is the second investigative role on the scum team.

[Boonskiies]

I am the scum gunsmith,

All I see.

You forgot to mention the fact that Titus thinks we're both gambiting scum. Quit trying to push the investigative thing, Bulb had to be making the kill to even use his.

[Boonskiies]

Those right there are the two worst case scenarios. Now under which situation would you rather be in a 3-2 LYLO? The one where you believed a result in which even the person who was investigated says is true. Or the situation where you believed the person in question is a back up one shot vig and the person getting the results is the second investigative role on the scum team.

*yawn* the AtE up the wazoo.

[Boonskiies]

You forgot to mention the fact that you are the Mafia Gunsmith who is hoping to lynch a townie with a gun, and shrug it off tomorrow, and win the game with a fake investigative result.

[Boonskiies]

That is the worst possible scenario, that is most likely.

[spicer1209]

You forgot to mention the fact that you are the Mafia Gunsmith who is hoping to lynch a townie with a gun, and shrug it off tomorrow, and win the game with a fake investigative result.

If you flip town I am dead tomorrow or tonight. So this scenario you painted doesnt exist

[spicer1209]

Those right there are the two worst case scenarios. Now under which situation would you rather be in a 3-2 LYLO? The one where you believed a result in which even the person who was investigated says is true. Or the situation where you believed the person in question is a back up one shot vig and the person getting the results is the second investigative role on the scum team.

*yawn* the AtE up the wazoo.

Dont even know what AtE is

[spicer1209]

I am the scum gunsmith,

All I see.

You forgot to mention the fact that Titus thinks we're both gambiting scum. Quit trying to push the investigative thing, Bulb had to be making the kill to even use his.

Titus is wrong and would be my next read. I think you guys are buddies honestly and that Woody got pissed off because you two werent playing as a team and replaced out

[Boonskiies]

You forgot to mention the fact that you are the Mafia Gunsmith who is hoping to lynch a townie with a gun, and shrug it off tomorrow, and win the game with a fake investigative result.

If you flip town I am dead tomorrow or tonight. So this scenario you painted doesnt exist

It does exist...as you will easily just fight for another mislynch.

[Boonskiies]

Titus is wrong and would be my next read. I think you guys are buddies honestly and that Woody got pissed off because you two werent playing as a team and replaced out

-.-....Woody replaced out of every game he's in with me due to another game.

[Boonskiies]

And there was no reason for Titus to put any sort of suspicion on me if we were scum together.

Seriously, guys...look at this. He is already setting up for another mislynch.

[Boonskiies]

My reads go like this

Town
KK
Woody
Anna
Dragonspawn
Boon
Piss
Grey
Imp
Dom

This is why Spicer is lying. Dragonspawn should be higher on the list of he 'cleared him'. Also, the woody slot is the 2nd highest town read for him, yet now it's his next up? What happened to your Implosion read?

[spicer1209]

Titus has all the reason to put suspicion on you. You got a guilty result lol. He has to be suspicious now to cover his ass.

If Boon flips town then kill me tomorrow. I wont argue, I wont fight it, Ill take it. Ill even vote myself. Boon is scum hands down. Dont believe his bullshit

As for the reads list if I jumped Dragonspawn to the top it would have be obvious I had an investigative role. So I put him down a bit. Titus and percivals posts beyond that point made me question that read and the imp read I even said was a gut read and I didnt know why I felt like that but I did and had to look more into it.

You are flailing

[implosion]

Boon if you are actually town you are acting immeasurably stupidly right now. If spicer is a town gunsmith he has absolutely every reason to want to lynch you right now even with your claim.

And don't give the bullshit of "i wouldn't claim backup-1-shot-vig." You know that's bullshit. That's pretty much the only thing that scum-you could conceivably claim in this situation because if you claim not-a-gun then everyone's going to suspect you over spicer.

[implosion]

back up 1-shot vig. It's why I was picking up on the vig so easily.

This... also isn't how anything works... being a backup vig does not make it easier to find the actual vig that everyone knew existed.

[Titus]

I suspected Boon yesterday Spicer. I also pushed you. So how am I covering my ass again?

Seriously, I am down for flipping either one as I think both are scum.

[Boonskiies]

meta me up, bro. I flail hard when I'm town. Like, ridiculous amounts of flail. You are a gunsmith. You don't have a guilty on me, you have a positive on me. There's a difference.

ALSO, you agreeing to vote yourself in LYLO?!? Come on, man. This guy is scum.


@Implosion - I have brought that up. I didn't deny the suspicion. I even unvoted Spicer when he claimed, and voted Titus. I just don't believe he's a town gunsmith. Meh. I was looking for the vig more than others, I believe, Implosion. Excuse the wording.

[Boonskiies]

I feel it was obvious I knew it was Dom.

@Dom - did you feel it was obvious I knew you were the vig?

[implosion]

I really really doubt both are scum.

And even if they both are then we've won, more or less? If boon flipped scum today, then Spicer would have to kill dragonspawn or dom (who are both more or less cleared) and he would have to clear another person, which would leave him in an almost mathematically unwinnable situation if we have ANY more power roles, which we would because rolecop + 2 shot vig is not enough power.

[Boonskiies]

But I'm going to flip town...

[spicer1209]

I suspected Boon yesterday Spicer. I also pushed you. So how am I covering my ass again?

Seriously, I am down for flipping either one as I think both are scum.

Just creating space between you two thats all. Either way I dont KNOW you are scum so Im not trying to argue with you at the moment. I KNOW Boon is scum

Imp please vote him with me

[Boonskiies]

If Boon flips town then kill me tomorrow. I wont argue, I wont fight it, Ill take it. Ill even vote myself. Boon is scum hands down. Dont believe his bullshit

I KNOW Boon is scum

[Boonskiies]

Meh, whatever. I'm town. Lynch him tomorrow. And then probably dragon.

[spicer1209]

If Boon flips town then kill me tomorrow. I wont argue, I wont fight it, Ill take it. Ill even vote myself. Boon is scum hands down. Dont believe his bullshit

I KNOW Boon is scum

That should tell you how confident I am that you are scum and how confident I am that I am town