Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[implosion]

Don't worry spicer, I almost certainly will, I'm just in no rush.

[Titus]

I really really doubt both are scum.

And even if they both are then we've won, more or less? If boon flipped scum today, then Spicer would have to kill dragonspawn or dom (who are both more or less cleared) and he would have to clear another person, which would leave him in an almost mathematically unwinnable situation if we have ANY more power roles, which we would because rolecop + 2 shot vig is not enough power.

Boon flips scum, he kills dragon or dom. He clears someone else. We're in mylo. I'm presuming Dom. He claims his clear flipped during the night and was whoever Dom shot. Magically he doesn't have to clear anyone.

[implosion]

I really really doubt both are scum.

And even if they both are then we've won, more or less? If boon flipped scum today, then Spicer would have to kill dragonspawn or dom (who are both more or less cleared) and he would have to clear another person, which would leave him in an almost mathematically unwinnable situation if we have ANY more power roles, which we would because rolecop + 2 shot vig is not enough power.

Boon flips scum, he kills dragon or dom. He clears someone else. We're in mylo. I'm presuming Dom. He claims his clear flipped during the night and was whoever Dom shot. Magically he doesn't have to clear anyone.

That isn't mylo, we'd still have one ML.

[spicer1209]

I really really doubt both are scum.

And even if they both are then we've won, more or less? If boon flipped scum today, then Spicer would have to kill dragonspawn or dom (who are both more or less cleared) and he would have to clear another person, which would leave him in an almost mathematically unwinnable situation if we have ANY more power roles, which we would because rolecop + 2 shot vig is not enough power.

Boon flips scum, he kills dragon or dom. He clears someone else. We're in mylo. I'm presuming Dom. He claims his clear flipped during the night and was whoever Dom shot. Magically he doesn't have to clear anyone.

If Boon flips scum and I am still alive the next day kill me if you have to. If Boon flips scum there is no reason I should still be living

[dragonspawn]

Also, why the hell would I claim back up 1 shot vig as scum. That's a horrible claim.

Because its the only thing you CAN claim. The vig came out so you cant claim vig and what other town role other than cop has a gun. You had to claim something. Its a horrible claim but its all you have. You cant weasel your way out of this.

Ill break it down like this.

You can believe Boon's claim about how he is the 1 shot back up vig, I am the scum gunsmith, and that the scum has all these investigative roles. We lynch me today and I flip town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation

or

You can believe that I am the Town gunsmith and got a 100% factual read on Boon that he has a gun after which I waited to reveal after the vig came out. We lynch Boon and he flips town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation.

Those right there are the two worst case scenarios. Now under which situation would you rather be in a 3-2 LYLO? The one where you believed a result in which even the person who was investigated says is true. Or the situation where you believed the person in question is a back up one shot vig and the person getting the results is the second investigative role on the scum team.

That's not the only role he could have claimed with a gun. Just saying.

[spicer1209]

Also, why the hell would I claim back up 1 shot vig as scum. That's a horrible claim.

Because its the only thing you CAN claim. The vig came out so you cant claim vig and what other town role other than cop has a gun. You had to claim something. Its a horrible claim but its all you have. You cant weasel your way out of this.

Ill break it down like this.

You can believe Boon's claim about how he is the 1 shot back up vig, I am the scum gunsmith, and that the scum has all these investigative roles. We lynch me today and I flip town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation

or

You can believe that I am the Town gunsmith and got a 100% factual read on Boon that he has a gun after which I waited to reveal after the vig came out. We lynch Boon and he flips town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation.

Those right there are the two worst case scenarios. Now under which situation would you rather be in a 3-2 LYLO? The one where you believed a result in which even the person who was investigated says is true. Or the situation where you believed the person in question is a back up one shot vig and the person getting the results is the second investigative role on the scum team.

That's not the only role he could have claimed with a gun. Just saying.

Which ones could they be then?

[spicer1209]

Either way it doesnt matter. He claimed what he claimed.

DS I need you to pull it together and be with me on this one. You are the only one I know for sure is town. Boon is scum. He has to be

[implosion]

Also, why the hell would I claim back up 1 shot vig as scum. That's a horrible claim.

Because its the only thing you CAN claim. The vig came out so you cant claim vig and what other town role other than cop has a gun. You had to claim something. Its a horrible claim but its all you have. You cant weasel your way out of this.

Ill break it down like this.

You can believe Boon's claim about how he is the 1 shot back up vig, I am the scum gunsmith, and that the scum has all these investigative roles. We lynch me today and I flip town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation

or

You can believe that I am the Town gunsmith and got a 100% factual read on Boon that he has a gun after which I waited to reveal after the vig came out. We lynch Boon and he flips town and at night another townie dies putting us in a 3 town 2 scum situation.

Those right there are the two worst case scenarios. Now under which situation would you rather be in a 3-2 LYLO? The one where you believed a result in which even the person who was investigated says is true. Or the situation where you believed the person in question is a back up one shot vig and the person getting the results is the second investigative role on the scum team.

That's not the only role he could have claimed with a gun. Just saying.

What else could he have reasonably claimed?

[TheDominator37]

UNVOTE:

[TheDominator37]

Nvm what I said at the start of the day. VOTE: spicer

[spicer1209]

Nvm what I said at the start of the day. VOTE: spicer

*facepalm

oh my god here we go

Dom I also need you to pull it together and be with me on this as you are the confirmed vig. There is nothing that Boon can do that doesnt add up to scum and there is nothing that is pointing to me being scum. If I was scum I severly shot my load to quick by coming out now with a role claim and a result. If I was scum i would have waited till tomorrow.

[implosion]

Nvm what I said at the start of the day. VOTE: spicer

why

[spicer1209]

Alright town I need all of us to stand up straight give eachother a pep talk AND TAKE 5 PILLS OF IMODIUM TO KEEP OURSELVES FROM SHITTING THE BED RIGHT NOW

[dragonspawn]

I'm not voting spicer. I believe the claim.

I haven't decided about boon though. If he was faking he could have faked a better role and maybe gotten someone to out themselves with a counter claim.

Going to have to reread everything before making a final determination.

[Boonskiies]

@Titus - "In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers"

[Boonskiies]

The Gunsmith is there for mafia to hunt out PR's. All 3 of our PR's are able to be caught from that. =/ I've already explained why doing it there is worth it.

@Dragon - if you're scum, don't worry about it pushing for my lynch on a personal level. It's part of the game. If you are town, reconsider Spicer...

[implosion]

I'm not voting spicer. I believe the claim.

I haven't decided about boon though. If he was faking he could have faked a better role and maybe gotten someone to out themselves with a counter claim.

Going to have to reread everything before making a final determination.

WHAT. BETTER. ROLE. answer my question.

[Boonskiies]

Seriously...I have 340 posts! What's the scum meta you guys say I always have? I lurk out when I'm scum. HAVE I LURKED AT ALL HERE?!?

@Titus - You believe both of us to be scum, correct? Then from your perspective, why keep the scum fake claim "town gunsmith" over the scum fake claim "back up 1-shot vig"? I wouldn't be able to talk my way out of anything with some bull reasoning due to my role. Spicer would! If you are under the impression that both of us are scum, it makes absolutely no sense to lynch me over him.

[Boonskiies]

I'm not voting spicer. I believe the claim.

I haven't decided about boon though. If he was faking he could have faked a better role and maybe gotten someone to out themselves with a counter claim.

Going to have to reread everything before making a final determination.

WHAT. BETTER. ROLE. answer my question.

JOAT, gunsmith, vanilla cop, modifier of a cop. BACK UP GUNSMITH FOR CHRIST SAKE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.

[Boonskiies]

I AM ALWAYS FREAKIN' SUPER SAFE WITH MY FAKE CLAIMS! I can make a list of my links to my fake claims if you'd like, along with the list of my ACTUAL TOWN CLAIMS THAT PEOPLE START TO PUSH ME FOR. I'm honestly pushed harder when I am a Town PR and am forced to claim than I am with my fake claim. Seriously. I posted within minutes of Spicer bringing it up.

[Boonskiies]

"

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers"

Quoting this and bolding so Titus can see.

JOAT with weak ish roles with 2 1 shot roles like commuter/doctor/tracker/watcher, and a Vanilla Cop/Gunsmith/Role cop role.

Like seriously. I setup spec in almost every game I play, I would have came up with a damn believe fake claim. I'm fucking pissed that every fucking time I get a town PR and claim it, we get people fucking push for it.

[Boonskiies]

Like, fuck. God damn. Why the fuck would I allow Anna to die last night if I was fucking scum? Especially with Titus in the game who tunnel fucks me every game we're in together, and is pretty much ALWAYS WRONG ABOUT MY ALIGNMENT. Anna being alive would have near guaranteed me a scum victory. You guys think that no matter who my scum partner would be in this game, that I would fucking allow Anna to die without giving my input. Holy fuck. I'm not a fucking pushover; I SAY WHAT'S ON MY MIND!!!

[Boonskiies]

I totally get why Spicer would originally fucking vote there, but he's fucking tunneling to no end without giving ANY OTHER SUPPORT to his reasoning. A townie would at least be open to HEARING FROM IT. Like fuck.

[Boonskiies]

@Implosion - you've wanted that slot lynched literally the entire game, what the fuck changed now? The claims? That's fucking nothing. MAFIA GUNSMITH IS A FUCKING THING AND ISN'T THAT UNCOMMON.

[Boonskiies]

It's just annoying how Spicer doesn't even see why if he actually is fucking town, he is just throwing the game. I don't believe he'd do that. He's very reserved. And seems to think it all, which is why the fucking tunnel crap makes him scum.