Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

[RadiantCowbells]

Hint: they are.

[TheDominator37]

Double hint: they aren't

[TheDominator37]

Triple Hint: alchemist is scum

[davesaz]

I thought for sure that I had posted more recently. It's been a weird weekend.

Netherspite weak town
Persivul needs reread, don't remember
pistachi0n null needs reread
TheDominator37 weak scum
RadiantCowbells weak town
All Alone weak town
duppin lean town but unproven
Alchemist21 null? don't remember what I was thinking
Thesp weak scum
Ankamius weak town

[RadiantCowbells]

Davesaz has "weak town" on 5 of the players.

The remaining players are
Alchemist: gives a null read on a slot that's been at the center of a lot of attention.
Thesp: one of the major wagons
TheDominator37: prob cop inno

duppin: lean town but unproven

This one's important. Note that unproven implies that it's because of the potential for him to be cop, yet Dominator just gets weak scum.
These are contradictory.

pistachi0n: null, but understandable because slot is a lurksack.
Persivul: the other wagon.

So basically every single one of Davesaz's reads is just following the flow the game.

[Thesp]

deadline will be frozen for 2 days from this timestamp. if no replacement is found I will modkill the slot

What do you mean by this? Are you adding two days to the deadline, or is it two days from the moment of your post there (which would be ~10pm tonight Central US Time)? (The other deadlines still active and in the OP suggest a deadline of 6:30pm tonight.) What's the deadline before modkilling the slot (is it to coincide with the day's end)? Will we have some sort of warning if you've found a replacement player, or would we just find that out at the time of the lynch?

Modkilling a slot here seems extreme. The vague announcement and timing of it all is also not cool. This is a very bad way to end Day 2, and I don't like the forward-going uncertainty when it comes to future replacements.

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Depending on how this all goes down affects what I want to do.

If Persivul is just going to die anyway, I want to lynch All Alone.

(There is an argument for no-lynching as well, but I don't want to entertain that today at this late hour.) If we're going to get two kills out of this, we should try to use it to our advantage. The trouble with this is it's not clear if the slot is going to die anyway, and there's some uncertainty as to when the deadline is actually going to hit, and no telling if we'll get people on to make an informed decision. (This is another moment to remember why I don't like deadline lynches.)

I'm willing to vote for All Alone instead of Persivul if it would create a lynch. (I have a slight preference for lynching Persivul over All Alone, but am perfectly happy killing both of them if possible.) I will move my vote as needed to prevent myself from being lynched.

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If you agree that All Alone is scummy, would you consider a vote switch? It's an academic question because after Dave's' last I'm not changing my votes until he's lynched.

We're potentially 10 hours away from a lynch. Would you switch your vote to ensure a lynch? I pinky promise to look hard at davesaz tomorrow - I don't reasonably see a wagon happening there today (but think your work in analyzing him has been worthwhile).

[Thesp]

And an unofficial votecount for everyone's assistance:

Persivul

(4): pistachi0n, Ankamius, Thesp, Alchemist21

Thesp

(4): All Alone, Persivul, davesaz, TheDominator37

davesaz

(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting

(2): Netherspite, duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00) (Who knows?)

[duppin]

VOTE: Davesaz
So Thesp, do you still not want to vote on him? (3 trains hype, best way to secure a lynch!11)

Hopefully the mod will answer Thesp's question though.

[duppin]

Oh and do not worry, I will obviously switch if I need to. I do however think davesaz is a rather interesting target (his reaction to me asking you a queston was very questionable).

[ActionDan]

ok the modkill business partly isn't clear. This is what will happen: the modkill will happen at 10 pm or so and it looks to be a near certainty at this point so be aware. Whether night falls will depend on the slot's alignment. If town, day will continue, votes will reset, and the deadline will be 3 days; if mafia, night falls immediately.

[duppin]

Alright sounds fair.

[Thesp]

VOTE: Davesaz
So Thesp, do you still not want to vote on him? (3 trains hype, best way to secure a lynch!11)

Hopefully the mod will answer Thesp's question though.

Tempting. I still prefer All Alone over davesaz, but I'm willing to lynch either one, and if davesaz is more likely to happen, I'll go that route. I think I'm actually leaning towards waiting to see how the Persivul flip goes down before making a decision, as that info would be useful.

There's an extra complication with how this replacement thing is going down in that if there

is

a replacement found right near the deadline, we have no assurance of what will happen. Obviously, the best case scenario right now is for Persivul to get deadline-killed, then hammer out the rest.

UNVOTE: Persivul

I'll move my vote back there if necessary to secure a lynch if there's replacement shenanigans.

[ActionDan]

suddenly 5 requests to replace in. OK what will happen now is that after I sort these deadline will be in 2 days

[Not_Mafia]

Hello everyone!

VOTE: Thesp

[Not_Mafia]

Hello everyone! I tend to be less active on weekends, so I'm just checking in quickly here. I would like to know three things of everyone:
1) How much Mafia have you played before (in person or online)?
2) How active are you typically in a Mafia game? That is, is there sort of a posts per day frequency that's approximately typical for you?
3) Are you scum?

Question 1, okay. But what are 2 and 3 supposed to achieve?

[ActionDan]

ok by a time of 1 min Not_Mafia replaces in for Persivul effective immediately (I'll count that vote though). I'll get a vc up soon

[Not_Mafia]

Skimming your ISO I see no conclusions from your RQS

[TheDominator37]

wow!

[RadiantCowbells]

That's a horrible way to segway into the game.

RQS isn't meant to have conclusions, it's just meant to be a friendly ice breaker to get discussions happening and get things to talk about.

Using the absence of any specific "conclusion" is disingenuous.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly, I'd rather not play with NM and combine that with his graspy and opportunistic opener and you've got the recipe for a vote.

I'd still rather do Daves or AA though.

[Alchemist21]

Officially, how much longer do we have until deadline? I'm willing to switch as well provided there's still time.

[Alchemist21]

P.S. If I swotch I have a preference for Dave over All Alone. I agree with RC's point about Dave's list about Duppin probably being Cop but still scumreading Dom.

[Not_Mafia]

That's a horrible way to segway into the game.

RQS isn't meant to have conclusions, it's just meant to be a friendly ice breaker to get discussions happening and get things to talk about.

Using the absence of any specific "conclusion" is disingenuous.

Well then my question would be, what's the point? What good does talking about someone's activity level do?

[Not_Mafia]

You yourself described his RQS as "resetting the game"

[RadiantCowbells]

Did you know we already had this discussion?

The fact that you know about the Thesp thing but haven't realized I already scumread him for it until I got an adequate explanation suggests you're reading scum QT talking points and not the game itself.