Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[shaddowez]

I agree that kyndy's claim was premature, but something about it doesn't read as scum to me - definitely a gut feeling, nothing concrete. Her vote was an RVS vote, so I don't see the problem with it being a second vote, especially since it wasn't the first.

Okay, so here kyndy puts the second vote on axxle. She doesn't appear to acknowledge beginning a wagon, and rambles on with a needless explanation for her vote that...doesn't make sense. You have a friend that uses that name? Okay..?

Elbirn

- why is kyndy's RVS vote that was "beginning a wagon" suspect, but Gray's vote in 7 isn't when it does the same thing (The B.P. voted Wisdom first in 5)?

I can't speak on Fire's play, since I haven't seen a game with him to know if he acts this way as scum or town.

The overconfidence and tunneling of kyndy based on nothing but her RVS vote actually has me scum reading Elbirn.

Wisdom

- Give me reasons for your vote on Vedith.

Oh, and for now,
VOTE: Elbirn

[shaddowez]

Wisdom - Give me reasons for your vote on Vedith.

And I'd like more than just 57

[shaddowez]

Sheeping and not many posts are my main reasons at this point in the game.

Please feel free to look at timestamps and read my signature when attempting to use post timing/counts as reason for a read on me.

[Axxle]

est or edt?

[Axxle]

kyndy, who is scum?

It's a little early for reads, but I think Shadowzz, Vedith, or Grayfoxxxx. Sheeping and not many posts are my main reasons at this point in the game. Of course, that's kind hypocritical of me to say that since that's exactly what I did.

Your vote is not on any of them.

I usually wait for those I announce I suspect to respond before I vote them

Respond to what?

[shaddowez]

Technically it's EDT right now, but I didn't think the hour difference was worth me changing the signature two times a year

[Wisdom]

Wisdom - Give me reasons for your vote on Vedith.

And I'd like more than just 57

what i said on 57. The vote felt sheepy, he repeated everything I said.

[Elbirn]

@post 75:

I guess I didn't really elaborate on my interpretation of that vote. Yeah, GrayFoxxxx plops down a 2nd vote before her, but he does so casually.

When kyndy does it she blabs and makes excuses, like nervous scum looking for a justification to start a wagon

But none of that matters because kyndy is town apparently

Also tell me why confidence is scummy plz

[goodmorning]

'Yes, of course you are, my dear,' said her father with relief. He had been bracing himself for a storm of tears, which was how his other daughters reacted to reprimands.
'Well, I fence,' Cimorene said with the air of someone delivering an unshakable argument. 'So it is

too

done by a princess.'

Votecount 1.2

The Betting Pool [L-2] - Firebringer, GrayFoxxxx, kyndy101

Vedith [L-3] - Wisdom, Elbirn
Wisdom [L-4] - The Betting Pool
Elbirn [L-4] - shaddowez
kyndy101 [L-4] - Vedith
Firebringer [L-4] - Axxle

Not Voting [0] -

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-08-22 22:00:00).

[Firebringer]

Elbirn I am unsure, I think of it as leaning town. Playing different doesn't always indicate alignment changes.

I think confidence is usually townie but still scum can act that way too. So in general it's null.

Hyper confidence might be more town then scum cause it attracts to much attention.

[shaddowez]

Also tell me why confidence is scummy plz

It's not necessarily confidence per se, but it's how it's being portrayed. The way you're doing it here reminds me of two separate games I've had where people that acted similarly were scum. I'm not saying that's evidence of you being scum, but its definitely skewing my view that way.

[Elbirn]

So confidence is a null tell, but the way it is shown can be scummy? I.e. it's my actions? If yes, what have I done and why is it scummy?

[Firebringer]

It can easily be town, I think scum don't favor playing as though they are confident it attracts unwanted attention

[Elbirn]

It can easily be town, I think scum don't favor playing as though they are confident it attracts unwanted attention

Ohai fire. Thanks, but I want to hear what shadows thoughts are. For science.

Since you're here, what's the dealio with the betting pool wagon? Is it just because it's a hydra?

How do you feel about helping me push this Vedith wagon instead, it's pretty great, I put new shiny chrome wheels on it and a fresh coat of red paint!

[Firebringer]

It was just RVS though since I have yet to get reaction it worried me a bit. Don't know how much longer keeping vote here.

Vedith is null for me so no strong opinion in that, would be fine if I can get anything out if betting.

Though honestly kyndy behavior is striking me odd leaning scum a bit on that.

[Elbirn]

Hm, in 59 you said kyndy town. What made you change your mind?

[Firebringer]

Just reread gave me a weird feeling on those posts.

I want betting to contribute a bit before I address that.

[shaddowez]

So confidence is a null tell, but the way it is shown can be scummy? I.e. it's my actions? If yes, what have I done and why is it scummy?

Yeah, that's probably a good way to put it.

In posts 11 and 20 you're pushing for people to sheep you, out of just an RVS vote. There's one posts worth of information to go on, which is barely enough to even make a viable argument out of, let alone enough to convince other people to vote on without some heavy influencing. The attitude that comes across in 27 is similar, though not quite as pushy. It seems like an attempt to establish an air of leadership and have people follow you without needing proof. Additionally, since it was right out of RVS, if kyndy does get lynched and flip town you have the fallback of "I didn't have a strong argument, you all decided to follow me blindly".

[Wisdom]

Elbirn you look different than last game. You had reasonable reads there, and you sticked to them despite what others said (for example you insisted I am town). I like neither your shallow tunnel on kyndy nor the way you stopped pushing her just because I didn't agree with you.

[Axxle]

So confidence is a null tell, but the way it is shown can be scummy? I.e. it's my actions? If yes, what have I done and why is it scummy?

Yeah, that's probably a good way to put it.

In posts 11 and 20 you're pushing for people to sheep you, out of just an RVS vote. There's one posts worth of information to go on, which is barely enough to even make a viable argument out of, let alone enough to convince other people to vote on without some heavy influencing. The attitude that comes across in 27 is similar, though not quite as pushy. It seems like an attempt to establish an air of leadership and have people follow you without needing proof. Additionally, since it was right out of RVS, if kyndy does get lynched and flip town you have the fallback of "I didn't have a strong argument, you all decided to follow me blindly".

I think Elbirn thinks he's Thor or something.

[Vedith]

@Wisdom - Shall I assume that you ignored my question, or would you like the benefit of the doubt?

But none of that matters because kyndy is town apparently

I don't understand this comment. Is this town apparently from your opinion? I've never been the fan of early suggestions of people being 'town'. I know that's how most people are on here, I just think it's an excuse for someone to work from that if they are scum.

@shaddowez - What's the main difference in Firebringer pushing to Elbirn pushing?
This seems to be a main focus of your vote.
I also don't understand how you used 2 different style of votes as examples for your vote?

[Wisdom]

your question was pointless.

[Vedith]

I wouldn't class it as pointless. It's something I wanted to know about yourself rather than Kyndy.
You obviously just don't have a justifiable answer, the way I see it anyway.
No answer is probably worse than the answer I expected you to give.

[Axxle]

have people follow you without needing proof

Rereading your argument, I just don't get it. All people have to do is ask what he sees and he's in a shitty situation.

[Wisdom]

You asked if I could see her 6 votes thing as scum panic. I obviously don't and I have talked about it already, so it was pointless