NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[Shinobi]

UNVOTE:

Shinobi, who should I vote for?

Am beginning to think Ozgin.
(This is the exact post that I saw and decided to check in by responding to. Catching up now.)

[SilverWolf]

I'd love to get an Ozgin wagon going.

[Wake1]

OK, I see TSO pushing a scumread he has, I see GrayFoxxxx defending himself from that push, I vote GrayFoxxxx, You object and tell me to be cautious of TSO.

My question is very simple. Are you scumreading TSO? Are you townreading Gray?

Otherwise, why do you object to my vote?

...

Presuming you are Town, shouldn't you be asking me

why

I am suspecting TSO?

Once you asked me if I thought TSO was Scum for the Grayfoxxxx push, and once you asked me if I was scumreading TSO.

Since your vote on Grayfoxxxx in 1110, you have not asked me why I am suspecting him. 'If,' and 'if,' but not 'why.'

Would you like to start by asking me why I am suspecting TSO?

[SilverWolf]

OK, I see TSO pushing a scumread he has, I see GrayFoxxxx defending himself from that push, I vote GrayFoxxxx, You object and tell me to be cautious of TSO.

My question is very simple. Are you scumreading TSO? Are you townreading Gray?

Otherwise, why do you object to my vote?

...

Presuming you are Town, shouldn't you be asking me

why

I am suspecting TSO?

Once you asked me if I thought TSO was Scum for the Grayfoxxxx push, and once you asked me if I was scumreading TSO.

Since your vote on Grayfoxxxx in 1110, you have not asked me why I am suspecting him. 'If,' and 'if,' but not 'why.'

Would you like to start by asking me why I am suspecting TSO?

It's rude to answer a question with another question.

[Shinobi]

Okay, seriously, why is there a wake wagon going? Is it because of the neighborhood thing?
Because I really didn't read into it so much and didn't think it was a really strong case.
/shrug

I'm down with an Ozgin wagon: I can easily see the parallels between his play in 180 and his play here.
VOTE: Ozgin

[Wake1]

OK, I see TSO pushing a scumread he has, I see GrayFoxxxx defending himself from that push, I vote GrayFoxxxx, You object and tell me to be cautious of TSO.

My question is very simple. Are you scumreading TSO? Are you townreading Gray?

Otherwise, why do you object to my vote?

...

Presuming you are Town, shouldn't you be asking me

why

I am suspecting TSO?

Once you asked me if I thought TSO was Scum for the Grayfoxxxx push, and once you asked me if I was scumreading TSO.

Since your vote on Grayfoxxxx in 1110, you have not asked me why I am suspecting him. 'If,' and 'if,' but not 'why.'

Would you like to start by asking me why I am suspecting TSO?

It's rude to answer a question with another question.

Deflection?

Okay, seriously, why is there a wake wagon going? Is it because of the neighborhood thing?
Because I really didn't read into it so much and didn't think it was a really strong case.
/shrug

I'm down with an Ozgin wagon: I can easily see the parallels between his play in 180 and his play here.
VOTE: Ozgin

Distraction?

[SilverWolf]

Yay!!

VOTE: Ozgin

[GrayFoxxxx]

VOTE: ozgin

[Shinobi]

My current scumlist is probably something along the lines of:
Ozgin, Gray, maybe Anna

I'm wait-and-see on TSO. I've liked a bunch of his more recent posts but his Lapsa push spooked me a bit.

Boonskiies might also plausibly be a good day 1 lynch. I don't really think anything of him as of right now since he's so inactive and lurky but we lose nothing by killing him at this rate.

I'm at a loss as to who else I should look into outside those 5. I'm aware that, for sheer balance reasons, it's likely that at least

one

active player is scum but I'm at a loss as to who I should look into in that regard.
/shrug

[Shinobi]

Oh, also Frogger.
I felt that his entrance was incredibly subdued compared to what I've seen from his recent townwork in Refraction.

He might be one of the more active/experienced players I'd have to look into. I'll throw his name out there as well.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Shinobi, what's your take on TSO, and his flip flopping on my meta?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Ozgin

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, what's your take on TSO, and his flip flopping on my meta?

Show me where this happened, exactly?
Honestly I really hate rereading stuff sometimes so pinpointing stuff for me will make my job way easier, pls n ty.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Shinobi, what's your take on TSO, and his flip flopping on my meta?

Show me where this happened, exactly?
Honestly I really hate rereading stuff sometimes so pinpointing stuff for me will make my job way easier, pls n ty.

Check post....1101 I think?

[GrayFoxxxx]

And the few posts after that

[Wake1]

I do know how to play the game, and I am not unfamiliar with how Scum can play.

It is odd, in my humble opinion, how during my pressing of TSO for answers regarding his behavior, Silverwolf comes in, does not ask me why I suspect him, but votes with TSO onto Grayfoxxxx, while seemingly 'not understanding' what it is I am seeing in TSO's behavior, trying to manipulate me with flattery and emotions onto a potentially convenient target. Knowing I will not be dissuaded, and not willing to be manipulated by TSO into voting for Grayfoxx in spite of what Grayfoxxxx was doing, I see TSO logging off for bed, Silverwolf asking me questions but not really asking me why I suspect TSO, Shinobi coming in about an Ozgin wagon, and Silverwolf nearly immediately saying that she, too, would love an Ozgin wagon.

Silverwolf does not answer my 1127. Shinobi shrugs off the idea of a Wake wagon, and votes Ozgin. Then Silverwolf immediately votes for Ozgin, and then does Grayfoxxxx. Nosferatu ignores my suggestion to engage, seemingly ignores that have happened, and proceeds to naked-vote Ozgin. Feels like Shinobi, like Silverwolf, is playing dumb about TSO's manipulative behavior, if 1137 is any indication.

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, what's your take on TSO, and his flip flopping on my meta?

Show me where this happened, exactly?
Honestly I really hate rereading stuff sometimes so pinpointing stuff for me will make my job way easier, pls n ty.

Check post....1101 I think?

I don't really understand how he flipflopped. Elaborate for me?
Just kinda seems like he called you out for being inactive, you became more active, and then he just kind of expected that you would regardless of your alignment.

I don't see much of an issue with that tbh.

[Shinobi]

I do know how to play the game, and I am not unfamiliar with how Scum can play.

It is odd, in my humble opinion, how during my pressing of TSO for answers regarding his behavior, Silverwolf comes in, does not ask me why I suspect him, but votes with TSO onto Grayfoxxxx, while seemingly 'not understanding' what it is I am seeing in TSO's behavior, trying to manipulate me with flattery and emotions onto a potentially convenient target. Knowing I will not be dissuaded, and not willing to be manipulated by TSO into voting for Grayfoxx in spite of what Grayfoxxxx was doing, I see TSO logging off for bed, Silverwolf asking me questions but not really asking me why I suspect TSO, Shinobi coming in about an Ozgin wagon, and Silverwolf nearly immediately saying that she, too, would love an Ozgin wagon.

Silverwolf does not answer my 1127. Shinobi shrugs off the idea of a Wake wagon, and votes Ozgin. Then Silverwolf immediately votes for Ozgin, and then does Grayfoxxxx. Nosferatu ignores my suggestion to engage, seemingly ignores that have happened, and proceeds to naked-vote Ozgin. Feels like Shinobi, like Silverwolf, is playing dumb about TSO's manipulative behavior, if 1137 is any indication.

I don't really understand what you're saying about me here.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Shinobi, what's your take on TSO, and his flip flopping on my meta?

Show me where this happened, exactly?
Honestly I really hate rereading stuff sometimes so pinpointing stuff for me will make my job way easier, pls n ty.

Check post....1101 I think?

I don't really understand how he flipflopped. Elaborate for me?
Just kinda seems like he called you out for being inactive, you became more active, and then he just kind of expected that you would regardless of your alignment.

I don't see much of an issue with that tbh.

Really?

Ok...

Says he doesn't know my scum meta, calls me town lean.

I vote him

Says he knows my scum meta and this is how I play scum.

First the flip
Then the flop

[Shinobi]

Oh wow.
Hold on.

I must have misread something. Give me a minute.

[Nosferatu]

Or maybe he researched after he admitted that he didn't know it, and changed his mind, cause those posts are like days apart. Like, bruh.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Or maybe he researched after he admitted that he didn't know it, and changed his mind, cause those posts are like days apart. Like, bruh.

Nah.

[GrayFoxxxx]

TSO used the same reasoning, to say he didn't know my scum meta as he dI'd when he says he does know my scum meta. What would research of 5 posts change anyway?

[Wake1]

I do know how to play the game, and I am not unfamiliar with how Scum can play.

It is odd, in my humble opinion, how during my pressing of TSO for answers regarding his behavior, Silverwolf comes in, does not ask me why I suspect him, but votes with TSO onto Grayfoxxxx, while seemingly 'not understanding' what it is I am seeing in TSO's behavior, trying to manipulate me with flattery and emotions onto a potentially convenient target. Knowing I will not be dissuaded, and not willing to be manipulated by TSO into voting for Grayfoxx in spite of what Grayfoxxxx was doing, I see TSO logging off for bed, Silverwolf asking me questions but not really asking me why I suspect TSO, Shinobi coming in about an Ozgin wagon, and Silverwolf nearly immediately saying that she, too, would love an Ozgin wagon.

Silverwolf does not answer my 1127. Shinobi shrugs off the idea of a Wake wagon, and votes Ozgin. Then Silverwolf immediately votes for Ozgin, and then does Grayfoxxxx. Nosferatu ignores my suggestion to engage, seemingly ignores that have happened, and proceeds to naked-vote Ozgin. Feels like Shinobi, like Silverwolf, is playing dumb about TSO's manipulative behavior, if 1137 is any indication.

I don't really understand what you're saying about me here.

...

Now you're playing dumb.

I want to engage both you and Silverwolf over TSO's behavior regarding me and Grayfoxxxx.

If you think I'll let it go, and that you and Silverwolf can just play dumb and Wake'll go quiet, you are mistaken.

The more you avoid me and play dumb, should one of you three flip Scum this game, these exchanges will be damning for you and Silverwolf late game IF you two are also Scum on the same team.

Let's

talk

.

[Wake1]

You know I'm going to keep investigating this, so why try to avoid me?