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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:44 am

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In post 791, Doctor Vahlen wrote:VOTE: Firebringer

You can strawman arguments and refuse to scumhunt, that doesn't make you any less scummy.

Vahlen, you are town, it is obvious.

I am town.
Deas is town.
Garmr is town.

The wagon on Scorpious is glorious at present. Make it even better.

Also Deas is really good at the scumhunting so you should sheep him. You know it makes sense :]

Oh and Red who is dead :cool: wanted to lynch Scorpious. There is a reasonable chance he saved you last night so you should at least give him one vote.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:45 am

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In post 799, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
Yes I disagree.
No not useful to me, but I don't expect everything everyone does to relate to me.

Of course you disagree. What exactly do you think makes someone scum?

Do you think it was useful to him?
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:52 am

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In post 800, Slandaar wrote:Also Deas is really good at the scumhunting so you should sheep him. You know it makes sense

JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, Slandaar agreeing with me was at least part of the reason I voted.

(He's pretty great)
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:53 am

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Just ISO'd scorp. His questions haven't been very aggressive. Aside from that can anyone else show me something scummy about him?
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:00 am

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In post 801, Slandaar wrote:
In post 799, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
Yes I disagree.
No not useful to me, but I don't expect everything everyone does to relate to me.

Of course you disagree. What exactly do you think makes someone scum?

Do you think it was useful to him?


Now youre getting it. Or you always have and are just being repetitive.

A few things could make someone scum. Mostly bad lines of logic, and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

All of this can be observed. No "gut feelings", or "meta", or, "I dont like his attitude",that can be used instead of actual evidence.

Do I think it was useful to him? Maybe. Maybe not.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:30 am

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In post 804, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
A few things could make someone scum. Mostly bad lines of logic,

Nope.

In life everyone has bad ideas from time to time it does not mean they had an ulterior motive for it. Some peoples logic is better than others it doesn't mean the ones with worse logic are planning a killing spree.
In post 804, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?
In post 804, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
All of this can be observed. No "gut feelings", or "meta", or, "I dont like his attitude",that can be used instead of actual evidence.

Do I think it was useful to him? Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe, Maybe not again eh? Maybe you should think about it and have an actual opinion.

Was there a reason other than to get a lynch through?

What kind of answer will help Scorpious read the player? Obviously as town that was the motivation and as scum you won't get another answer as it's a fine reason... seems like a pointless question eh?
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:40 am

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@Slandaar

where do you stand on your other "scum" reads. You seem to have forgotten those..
"Would you like to know more?"

I am like a renaissance artist. People appreciate me more after I am dead

Semi-V/LA on weekends..

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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:45 am

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Slandaar, why do you townread Garmr?
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:03 am

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@Slandaar,do you really think a wagon on me will form based on you having an issue with me using ISO?

I like your scum hunting.. I do. But I feel like your case is a major reach,and seeing whoever buys into it will give you an idea who is being opportunistic and sheepish. I also do that. I'd like to think your reasoning on me would go beyond the use of ISO. You seem too smart to base a scum read on that.

What do you think about Firebringer flat out refusing to answer questions? Shouldn't that be more of a red flag?
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:39 am

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In post 805, Slandaar wrote:
In post 804, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
A few things could make someone scum. Mostly bad lines of logic,

Nope.

In life everyone has bad ideas from time to time it does not mean they had an ulterior motive for it. Some peoples logic is better than others it doesn't mean the ones with worse logic are planning a killing spree.
In post 804, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?
In post 804, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
All of this can be observed. No "gut feelings", or "meta", or, "I dont like his attitude",that can be used instead of actual evidence.

Do I think it was useful to him? Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe, Maybe not again eh? Maybe you should think about it and have an actual opinion.

Was there a reason other than to get a lynch through?

What kind of answer will help Scorpious read the player? Obviously as town that was the motivation and as scum you won't get another answer as it's a fine reason... seems like a pointless question eh?


Scum usually uses faulty logic. Not a dead give away, buts it's a good indicator.

Your second question, well it's alot easier to evaluate something in hindsight, rather than while you are actually in the moment. ask me this after more time has passed, unless you have something in particular you need me to comment on.

Again, and again, I disagree with your view on him being scum because of 1 question.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:26 am

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In post 796, Slandaar wrote:
In post 790, Firebringer wrote:
Also it kinda makes you look scummy.

Come on Fire join the wagon. You know it makes sense.

It does make sense.

VOTE: Scorpious
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:29 am

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Scorpio is at L-2 for those interested.

Where is VC pls?
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:49 am

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So other than "ok" and "that makes sense". Garmr and Fire,can you please give some more reasoning behind your votes on me?
"Would you like to know more?"

I am like a renaissance artist. People appreciate me more after I am dead

Semi-V/LA on weekends..

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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:59 am

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In post 770, Slandaar wrote:So, chop chop, back to you posting actual reasoning for your stance on Scorpious.



Yes,please do..
"Would you like to know more?"

I am like a renaissance artist. People appreciate me more after I am dead

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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:06 am

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[psot]800[/post] Your thoughts right here are exactly why you should be voting Firebringer. However, DeasVail is not likely town. If you want to work together, you'll have to stop voting Scorpious as he's town.

I'm also aware that DeasVail is really good at scum and would have to try to offer something to prevent the game from ending with three straight chain lynches on scum. The fact is, DeasVail's skillful analysis is nowhere to be found and he's letting you do all the heavy lifting. His MO was like that day 1 as well.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:55 am

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In post 814, Doctor Vahlen wrote:DeasVail's skillful analysis

I want to know what you mean here.
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:08 pm

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Anything that resembles your towngame. All I'm seeing is scum desperate to save Firebringer and Fluggernaut.
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:29 pm

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In post 816, Doctor Vahlen wrote:Anything that resembles your towngame.

Well I don't think I've had a town game since last year so I wouldn't be surprised if it's different. I'd like to know what exactly you mean though. My town game is really made out to be a lot better than it is.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:39 pm

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Blah blah blah, your town game is pretty good and you making excuses for it sounds exactly like what you'll do when Scorpious flips town. Town usually don't say that they are worse than their reputation, which you are not.
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:42 pm

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Catching up. Will post tomorrow.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:17 pm

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In post 818, Doctor Vahlen wrote:Town usually don't say that they are worse than their reputation, which you are not.

I need to get some indication of your familiarity with me, because this is very blatantly irrelevant when it comes to me.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:09 pm

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I'm familiar enough with you to know that's not true. Do you have any reads you actually feel confident in? or are you just going to let Slandaar lead a mislynch on town for you?
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:20 pm

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In post 812, Scorpious wrote:So other than "ok" and "that makes sense". Garmr and Fire,can you please give some more reasoning behind your votes on me?

I feel like your policy lynch vote on me was scummy and that you knew enough about my play style that you were misrepresenting it by saying it was unusual.

So get lynched scum.
In post 816, Doctor Vahlen wrote:Anything that resembles your towngame. All I'm seeing is scum desperate to save Firebringer and Fluggernaut.

Loloolololoolol

That was good laugh doctorv
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:35 pm

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DoctorV, what confuses me is that I have very publicly voiced my opinion that I'm not as great as everyone thinks I am. This has included during the scummies ceremony, in the leadup to team mafia, in out-of-game chat. Pretty much everyone that knows me will know that I don't have a high opinion of my own town-game. So it surprises me that someone that so confidently comments on the strength of both my town and scum game (and claims to know that this is different from my town game) does not know of my low confidence when it comes to this stuff.

As deadline is a fair way away and Fitz is my strongest scumread. I'm not going to put any extra effort into lynching Scorpious. If he is lynched then I'll be happy with that, but my main priority right now is actually getting posts from Fitz to either confirm or weaken my scumread of him.

If you'd like my reads, I guess it can be represented somewhat like the following.

TOWN

Victor/Slandaar
Fraggernaut
Firebringer/GrayFoxx
Garmr/Yoloswag
Scorpious
havingfitz

SCUM

You were in the top group and might still be there, but I don't know what to think of your recent comments on me. It's remarkably inaccurate but at the same time there's this weird confidence and I don't know what to think of it.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:37 pm

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Oh, and what is the basis of your read on Scorpious? Is it the fact that you scumread me, or is there more to it than that?

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