Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[dragonspawn]

This is still wrong because I came out firing against fox and the only place where I was reserved was when I was reading the thread.

Why is that post scum boon? You can't just quote a post and say "LOOK HE IS SCUM" without saying why. I'm not laughing im shitting bricks because I (no offense) have no faith in Dom or DS to come through in this moment and pull it together and make the right call

There's no way a town gunsmith would come in, and not think about possible outcomes for their results. Sorry. And you aren't even a little bit WIFOM'y about the potential of a Mafia Doctor being on the scum team with all these a Vigilante/back up vig? Okay. LOL.

Why did you bring up a mafia doc here?

[Boonskiies]

i was doing setup spec. Mafia Doc/Traitor's don't have guns, so they don't get a positive result to gunsmiths, and he was completely throwing that out the window. I setup spec a lot, and to me, it made sense for there to be a Mafia Doc. AND I WAS FUCKING RIGHT, SPICER. EAT THAT IN THE DEAD THREAD.

[dragonspawn]

This is still wrong because I came out firing against fox and the only place where I was reserved was when I was reading the thread.

Why is that post scum boon? You can't just quote a post and say "LOOK HE IS SCUM" without saying why. I'm not laughing im shitting bricks because I (no offense) have no faith in Dom or DS to come through in this moment and pull it together and make the right call

There's no way a town gunsmith would come in, and not think about possible outcomes for their results. Sorry. And you aren't even a little bit WIFOM'y about the potential of a Mafia Doctor being on the scum team with all these a Vigilante/back up vig? Okay. LOL.

And above all spicer is deeeefinitely town unless somehow it's a 2:11 and odds of that seem nominal to me. I suppose it's also possible that dom is an sk but that seems relatively unlikely. Actually it's impossible unless boon is scum of course and if that's the case then lol because there's no way that all we have is a rolecop and a gunsmith.

Our claimed town power is a rolecop (weak investigative), a gunsmith (strong investigative but weakened especially if we have two false positives and possibly false negatives), a 2-shot vig (medium-strength killing), and a 1-shot backup vig. Balance wise I think odds are pretty strong that boon is town. Which means that I think we should be focusing in the VT claims. dragon should be ignored at least today because of the spicer clear (I also do think he's town irrespective of that). That leaves me in a position of thinking that the scumteam is probably pisskop + Titus by PoE, which seems reasonable to me.

Has this changed since the flips? And if so why?

[implosion]

Unvote

I'm going to look at this/think about it more later, it's late. I was thinking about balance a bit earlier and the doctor flip does make boon more likely town and as much as I do just want to powerlynch boon for the stuff today I'm going to think it over more seriously.

That's also in response to dragonspawn. If anything the flip makes boon more likely town. So I need to weigh some things when I'm more awake.

[dragonspawn]

Thinking it over and reviewed the posts.

1) fire and I are obviously town. Spicer cleared me and fire/dom claimed vig. As no one counter claimed and boon is claiming back up fire is obviously it and town.

2) implosion likely isn't scum as he would have mislynched one of the two prs yesterday rather than voting for his partner. I don't think he is bussing.

3) It's either Titus or boon.

4) we have one lynch to err so we could just lynch both.

5) I'm leaning scum on boon just because he brings up mafia doc, has a gun, and stays off his partners wagons. The only thing holding me back completely is that it is likely for him to be town if we have the mafia doc.

So question for boon and Titus, which one of you should we lynch first?

[Boonskiies]

Man, meta dive me...when have I ever stayed off my partners...

[dragonspawn]

So should we lynch you or Titus first?

[Boonskiies]

what kind of question is that? haha. i'm not just going to roll over and let you mislynch me. I understand why I should be lynched. I'd like to be alive during the game win, though...

[Firebringer]

Okay.

Lynch Titus first.

VOTE: Titus

Boon tomorrow if this fails.

[dragonspawn]

I'd like to hear Titus's answer as well

[implosion]

So the mafia power is doctor + automatic watcher + (goon?)

The town power is 2-shot vig + rolecop + gunsmith + (1-shot backup vig?)

gunsmith is weakened since it can get false positive(s) and at least one false negative (probably only one)
rolecop is strengthened because if it hits the watcher it gets an automatic guilty because of the nature of the watcher

Balance ultimately makes a lot more sense if boon is telling the truth unless scum have some kind of massive negative utility role left, but the not-explicitly-normal role is already known in bulb. I think I usually have a tendency to view setups as more scumsided than the balance group does in general but I don't think that having 3 not-that-great and not-that-synergistic power roles is enough against a scumteam with two very strong power roles.

I'm gonna iso pisskop.

[implosion]

I kind of hope that boon is scum because if he is i bet spicer is raging really hard right now in the dead thread and that would be amusing~

pisskop doesn't make me think a whole lot of anything. Parts of my gut say scum is going to be found in Titus. But ultimately I think a full look at the evidence makes boon probably scum.

The claim screwup today is kind of unforgivable from a scumhunting perspective. If people are going to jump on bulb d1 for saying "every night" and then switching to describing himself as 1-shot then we should jump on boon for claiming he sent in a kill last night as a role that would have no kill (yet). It's similar. Bulb's had some ambiguity because his diction was generally ambiguous as a whole. This has some ambiguity because theoretically boon could have misread his role pm. But if he sent a kill in last night as a role with no kill he would have been told that he had no kill.

I think boon should die before titus. Setup spec is fallible because there are always unknowns. Besides, 1-shot backup vig is an extremely weak role; it can possibly confirm its existence and get a single kill, or possibly do nothing. Swapping it in for a VT doesn't change setup balance all that much. There also is always the possibility that my sense of balance is right and that boon has some kind of negative utility role, like a doctor enabler or something like that.

VOTE: Boonskiies

[implosion]

If dragon/fire are willing to accept me as town then we'll win regardless.

But I would rather just win now.

[Boonskiies]

just lynch Titus...it'll end.

You bring up that you think Titus is more the scum, and want to end it now, but then you vote me...boon sad.

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: dragonspawn

There are 5 active players.
Absolute majority is

3

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Majority has

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been reached.

Previous vote count
Final vote count

Spoiler: Current player list

[01] Bulbazoor -

Mafia

- watcher (variant) - lynched day 1

[02] dragonspawn

[03] GrayFoxxxx -

Town

- vanilla - killed night 2

[04] FA_Q2 -

Town

- role cop - killed night 1

[05] implosion
[06] Boonskiies

[07] spicer1209 -

Town

- gunsmith - killed night 3

[08] Shazam -

Town

- vanilla - killed night 1

[09] pisskop -

Mafia

- doctor - lynched day 3

[10] Annarchy -

Town

- vanilla - killed night 2

[11] Firebringer

[12] Kublai Khan -

Town

- vanilla - lynched day 2

[13] Titus

Black denotes active players.

Grey denotes dead players.

(

V/LA

) denotes the player currently is on vacation or leave of absence.

Deadline is

27-08-2015 00:00 CEST

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(expired on 2015-08-27 00:00:00)

[Firebringer]

Lynch Titus, then boon tomorrow if not him.

I think we got this covered.

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Just got a PM from dragonspawn, he says he's having some technical trouble accessing the thread, something about being IP blocked. I'll keep you updated if there are any developments besides him solving his problem.

[Firebringer]

Tell him to vote Titus!!

Let's end this day, I think I it is Titus or Boon.

Speed lynch!!!

[Firebringer]

Really feels like Titus doesn't care about this game lol.

[dragonspawn]

Trying again

VOTE: boon

Sorry buddy. I have to go with my gut

[Boonskiies]

LOL. gg, I was a SK.

[Boonskiies]

Why the hell didn't you guys lynch me yesterday? haha.

[Firebringer]

Lololololyou had me fooled Boon.

I was serious about lynching you tomorrow though.

[Boonskiies]

I was going to push you as SK tomorrow after killing Implosion. I had a case made and everything. An extensive one, haha. I was going to claim Mafia Rolecop Traitor who was non recruitable and had already lost anyways due to rest of team dying; flaw in that was 3-1 scum would be hard to push, but I'm rather convincing.

[Boonskiies]

Jk, btw. I was just a Mafia Goon. Turning point was when we decided to impulse kill Anna instead of Spicer.