Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[singersigner]

That being said, I'm taking a personal day. I know I haven't been that active in the first place, but I've been a little panicky over a doctor's appointment I have tomorrow and I just need a break from mafia right now. Hopefully tomorrow I'll be more with it.

Also, thanks for not making the thread explosive (except zakk...he gets nothing).

Also, also, Ika better get his internet together because he's really easy to read when he doesn't have an excuse to be away.

[zakk]

singer you've seen me as scum.

now bask in awe at the wonder that is me as town.

you're welcome. <3

[Ciara24]

Hi everyone, sorry I've been so inactive, ended up extremely busy for the last couple of days, but I'll be back in a couple of hours.

Also, I will be V/LA from the 19th - 26th.

[zakk]

Ciara when you get back, we have 3 hours to break this game.

Given only what we know.




are you ready

[notscience]

Zakk, this is an invitation to calm down the posting.

That's the carrot.

You don't want the stick.

[zakk]

Zakk, this is an invitation to calm down the posting.

That's the carrot.

You don't want the stick.

You're hilarious. No, I don't particularly think I want the stick, but I also don't think you're holding the stick

This is YOUR invitation to stop pretending you wield more influence than you do, which from what I can see is relatively average.

In the meantime, the entire spectrum of pissing contests I've seen on the internet have all failed to impress me, so you can also feel free to drop the bravado and stop trying to control how other people play.

Unless of course, you're scared of me. In which case, by all means, please continue trying to control how I play.

[Malakittens]

I am loving this game already. Efficient moderator page tops, A tier flavor and manageable(?) activity level? I like.

<3

Okay, seriously Sonic start scum hunting or die.

(although, i'm weakly townreading you)

Using colloquialisms like "okay seriously" to absolutely zero effect other than padding ... Check.
Qualifying the statement with a tempering remark immediately after being abrasive... Check.
Putting the onus on someone else to do work, lest they look scummy or even die... Check.

Mala is scum.

Holy cheese balls

Mala is scum.

VOTE: Mala

LOL. I watched too muh GREYS anatomy in my life time. I picked up the over usage of seriously from there~

Depending on the game I'll keep reads close to my chest, but sonic tends to annoy me because he's overly fluffy as town and sometimes lately serious as scum. Im findin him funny and fluffy which makes me town read him tbh.

Im sorry trying to engage someone to stop being fluffy because I see the damage he's done in games and I want him to be serious so I can work with him. I'll just be laid back~

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

What kind of terrible feeling is he giving you ? Cause it appears we are getting totally different feeling about him.

Hey Mala you never really answered my question.

scum tend to not answer questions

so

I tend to ignore questions because I either don't see them or I can't explain my gut.

You scum read her before that though.

What were your reasons then?

Before that? This

ZzzZzzzzZZZZZzzz

VOTE: Singer.

"i dont care

look at me not caring everyone"

no thanks

i don't want to be obv town so soon~

"im so good

look how town i am everyone"

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

"let me pick on the obvious shiny mislynch bait

obvious shiny mislynch bait is obvious

but

here i go

nobody will noticeeee"

Okay so I just got finished working twelve hours, so concerned about my appearance? I think not. It was definately sleep time!!

Also seriously stop twisting shit because that's not what I said in the second quote. Notty and I have a lot of history together and we tend to bounce off each other and then one of us dies. Not really wanting that so early in the game. Twisting it isn't going to make it so.

(Also Notty we need to watch that movie together)

Hypocrisy at its best. I been pretty mislynch bait lately. I don't see how axle is mislynch bait though. Then again I haven't played with him.

malakittens is scum rabble rabble rabble

VOTE: zakk's

Obligatory I don't give a fuck vote because you're just so obnoxious and you're trying to fabricate your scum read on me.

[notscience]

I'm not so much scared of you as I know your 'playstyle' is inherently antitown and is on the fast track out of the site. So, you either change it, or you get lynched! It's that simple.

But you're right, maybe I should drop my bravado, because I forgot the only bravado allowed is based off of your reads!

I'll stop trying to control how other people play, because I forgot only you can do that!

But sure, you think the threat is empty and I don't have the influence?

Keep it up.

[Malakittens]

Yeah okay Notty is probably town ^_^

[Malakittens]

Holy shit I like this version of this song than the other one I heard <:

[zakk]

Well I have no time or desire to argue, notsci, but I'm content posting less for a while if that makes the game more fun for everyone.

Lol at you voting me, Mala. You can't possibly think I'm scum, and playing like this. Your vote is OMGUS, clear as day.

Looking forward to everyone else's comments.

[AxleGreaser]

I should add that I have started missing Axle's posts and would probably PL him. His posting is hard to read and I don't like the fact he doesn't place his vote and instead replaces it with a FOS.

So have you ever read my other games?
and the effort I have gone to to keep what I say brief here?

and what could you do about not liking the fact.
do you lynch people you dont like or the ones with scum PMs?

[AxleGreaser]

Hi everyone, sorry I've been so inactive, ended up extremely busy for the last couple of days, but I'll be back in a couple of hours.


Also, I will be V/LA from the 19th - 26th.

As you are going VLA for the rest of D1 and so far did ....

Spoiler: This ones probably irrelevant if the answer is what i guess it is

It's okay you don't have to think I'm town

As long is I think you're town, we're good, haha

so much deja vu

VOTE: zakk [/zakk] because he insulted my avi before

What is the deja vu.
When did he insult your avi? (which game at least.. or the post would be nice)
(this may or may not help with feels read which i all you are giving us.)

Is your vote now not RVS.
If not what do you intend to do with your vote.
Is your VLA absolute or will you drop in to post a serious vote on leading wagon before EOD DL.

play some.

[VeeGee]

Sooo, everyone's scum?




I doubt it.

[notscience]

Axle are you ESL?

[AxleGreaser]

Spoiler: ooc fluff @notsci

Axle are you ESL?

I am Axle

. "

This is Me

". (I cant get link to a bit thats the trope, bits when Kim luck thumps cheats and proclaims "this is me" as way to prove his identity, I fell in love.).


I keep getting asked that. Not in any normal sense. I grew up speaking English, and my parents were measurably excellent at the English language.(top few %)
Strangely however when I was about 23 I found out my native language was C++. (or basically any computer language, except for some reason prolog.)
So that might explain some of it.
Also we are playing game, where who understands what, and why they do, is important.

I have a very different set of priors to most everybody, hence I am in fact translating from how I think and the background knowledge I have and can assume, and having to work out or guess which bits need saying and which bits don't. If you read chapter in book called GEB, about record players, and GROK it. You will realise that significant part of the music/(idea conveyed) is not in the words/music but is in the device used to play it. Thus when i am unsure of which bits inside my head that i am entirely used to are also inside yours it makes it hard. That its hard is also a distinguishing feature between those trying to understand me and those trying to lynch me. In game recently where i was scum I suggested that if people didn't understand something and wanted to they should ask. The answer you will get when asking is likely to be more informative, as i also then have whatever clues, I can get from your question about what was missing from the original that I assumed was in your head but wasn't. For instance if you don't get GROK, and haven't read the chapter of GEB about record players, this text may fall on deaf ears.
Do note I spent 10 years reading and rereading GEB before I groked what i do of it. So reading that chapter right now may not help.

Still look like ESL?

[AxleGreaser]

Spoiler: more

Yeah I just read that definition of Grok, that I linked to, its lame. When you grok something you become it, totally internalize the idea concept, in way that is only similar to drinking and incorporating the water. Note in stargnger in strange land when somebody dies thy distill them and drink them (IIRC but they also do that in dune so meh), as way to totally celebrate the other being and incorporate them into themselves.
It is popular idea among programmers because there is world of difference between reading some code and understanding it, and groking it. <In a different knowledge domain,> If you Grok a DFT then an FFT having different name is about as odd as someone being called "Bert" when looked ta from the front and "Ernie" when looked at from the back, when really they are exactly the same thing just viewed from different perspectives. (See the cover of the book GEB)
All these words in the last two posts are trying to convey one really rather small idea. But as its an idea that may not be in your head, this is how hard new ideas are in fact to exchange using words. Normally when people talk, its like pressing buttons on a juke box(see that chapter in GEB), it relies almost exclusively on prior shared knowledge.
Here is you and singer doing that, really explicitly

Hey singer, you know who zakk is reminding me of?

You know what solution I have to this dilemma?

Yes.

Yes.

but it also happens at much more subtle levels.

stopping now.

[notscience]

Can you elaborate on your VCA data?

[AxleGreaser]

Sooo, everyone's scum?

who are you responding to, this time?

please try to at least make it clear what your scant words refer to.

[shaddowez]

Page 4 and it

looks like we're still in RVS

....In that case

VOTE: Ciara

X

Semi-serious vote, actually. Does her RVS votes, but then has a fluff post in 38 and doesn't engage with any of the other players that have been posting.

So it's a random vote, but it's a semi-serious vote?

Do tell.

There wasn't much going on, so I commented it looked like it was still RVS. Made my vote, which wasn't actually a random vote, and since I had made the comment about RVS made sure to clarify. Part of the point was to also generate some discussion, which other than your post it didn't, so that failed.

So tell me, if Mala, Axle, and Notty are all scum, who's town?

[shaddowez]

Sooo, everyone's scum?

who are you responding to, this time?

please try to at least make it clear what your scant words refer to.

While I think he's referring to zakk, I have to agree with Axle here...directing your questions at people would help in getting answers.

Such as: Veegee, your vote is still on Singer from an RVS vote. Do you actually think they're scum, or are you just vote parking?

[AxleGreaser]

Can you elaborate on your VCA data?

No drama.
So _far_ i kinda draw no conclusions at all.

I have made VCA harder by not appearing in the mods VC's (due to me FOSing my votes). Thats a side effect, as a result of a choice I made.

As i broke it, I fixed it.

if you want to do VCA, and not be messed up by my FOS not appearing in any vote counts, i have put capability that back for you.
Its in spoiler as i didn't do anything with it but provided it as a service.
Linking directly to the place all the votes were cast so they can be easily checked for context,
is a thing i will use when examining who voted when and why.

also when i do analyze who voted when and why its probably more important to me to see which way the thread sentiment would have appeared to be swinging at the time
so that post is a quick find index to find who was pushing (really gently so far) what way when.

As for some actual VCA like stuff.

I have suspicion that scum stood back near the start of the game.

Why.
Either Zak is town or scum. (cant be 3rd party due to OP

10

/

3

)
If hes scum then that looks like a train wreck, and so scum buddies may feel the need to stand back to see how bad its going to be before they commit one way or another.
If hes town, then from my POV, I know i am town, so i know scum is in that case scum seeing a TvT train wreck, so while not as strong they will also stand back and let it burn.

Scum were, probably, hiding in the bleechers.

Lastly from your POV if you don't decide i am town but wonder if I am scum, where would the others be? again "hiding in the bleechers."

Congratulations you were not in the bleechers. You're townier.
Ciara is so meh with whats hes posted, but was not in the bleechers.
Nosferatu posted that weird thing i think singer is voting him over (+ unspecified) but wasn't in the bleechers.
Veege yuck, but kinda not in the bleechers.
Mala, thats harder
Then comes Shiro and Metal
and while Singer is dragging up the rear, Singer brought content.

So yeah with some trick logic up front we can even do VCA without a flip.
and as i said the purpose/intent of the VCA post was to undo what I had done by FOSing.

[Fro99er]

prodding Nosferatu

[notscience]

A big part of my scumgame is breaking up TvTs an redirecting them on a third townie.

So maybe that's what scum would do in this instance, but I'm not sure they are as calculating as you anticipate.

[Nosferatu]

pdodge: I have to sleep, so I'll read everything tomorrow.