Open 606: Near-Vanilla 40k TOWN WINS

[duppin]

I'd also like to know why you scum read me.

You strongly resemble the scum meta of a couple other people. In other words, it is a gut thing!

Elaborate please.

I will try my best your highness

Past Scum Metas = Duppin Meta = Suspicious = Scum?

Yes but I want to know what this meta is.

[Vampirate]

FOS Vampirate

I wish I knew actual statistics, but I would like to say 80% of players whom consistently make wall posts that only respond to one player are scum.

1. I'm not really wall posting (from my view), more post by post stuff.

2. I've responded to Titus, ASP, Vedith and now you, how is that 1 person?

Vampirate, please decide on who you are going to murder?

Fine,

VOTE: Vedith

Happy now?

Honestly i'm not a fan of either ASP or Vedith but i'm not liking Vedith more.

[Vampirate]

@Vampirate - The only lynches I'm against as it stands is 4nxi3ty and Titus. I'm just not a fan of weak reasons.

If you think the reasons for people scum reading ASP is weak you are against the lynch.

ASP wagon - Why would he just be voting for Hermit on 0 votes if he was scum, surely he would be trying to focus on someone else close in lead. I don't think that the reasons for his votes are very justifiable over others at this stage.

This also signifies that you are against a ASP lynch.


Also, please state your reasons why

you

do not want 4nxi3ty and Titus to get lynched.

[Firebringer]

I honestly don't know who is best for lynch, keeping vote on Duppin cause I am so unsure.

Duppin reads null but I have no scum leans.

[Vedith]

i'm not liking Vedith

Aww that's not nice. ;<

And just because I think other reasons are weak doesn't mean I don't have my own opinions or reasons for others. - I'm not actually against neither for a lynch of ASP. I think that there are better lynches out there by far.

My reasons for them will not matter until I am lynched. When I get to L1, I will give you the reasons and even welcome a hammer.

[4nxi3ty]

to the people townreading Titus
I think she has pulled the wool over your eyes and fooled you

She is a very competent player and should be able to see just how scummy ASP's posts are
And yet she has yet to dissect ASP or make any substantial comment about his play

An ASP scumflip should show just how suspect Titus is by working to move the lynch away from ASP and on to Vedith and by casting doubt on me who has been very vocal about ASP.

As for Vedith I think a player can be defensive, wishwashy, not have strong opinions and can still be town.

I really like Vedith's tone when talking to people, sounds genuine
And I'm not seeing any calculated moves to garner towncred or achieve a mislynch

I see Vedith as someone who is newish to the site and/or mafia and his cautious playstyle comes from that and the fact that it is D1 with somewhat of a slow start due to replacements.

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I take back my misgivings on TheWorst after his response to me. Response was stellar imo.

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SIMPLE PLAN, can you answer this question:

I've seen Ika quick hammer on page 2 to get out of a day one, and Hermit later replaced into a game only to a) not read the thread, and b) lolhammer.

Were either ika or hermit town in those games (I'd wouldn't be surprised if they were)?

[Vampirate]

Alright 4nxi3ty let's try this.

@Titus, what do you think of A Simple Plan?

[Titus]

Alright 4nxi3ty let's try this.

@Titus, what do you think of A Simple Plan?

Terrible lynch. I read players by looking at the dynamic and then when I interact with them as time goes on. He's off the table for today. Call that a townread by proxy but oh well. I don't care to lynch him.

I find the OMGUS bully suspicion quite telling.

[Titus]

to the people townreading Titus
I think she has pulled the wool over your eyes and fooled you

She is a very competent player and should be able to see just how scummy ASP's posts are
And yet she has yet to dissect ASP or make any substantial comment about his play

An ASP scumflip should show just how suspect Titus is by working to move the lynch away from ASP and on to Vedith and by casting doubt on me who has been very vocal about ASP.

As for Vedith I think a player can be defensive, wishwashy, not have strong opinions and can still be town.

I really like Vedith's tone when talking to people, sounds genuine
And I'm not seeing any calculated moves to garner towncred or achieve a mislynch

I see Vedith as someone who is newish to the site and/or mafia and his cautious playstyle comes from that and the fact that it is D1 with somewhat of a slow start due to replacements.

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I take back my misgivings on TheWorst after his response to me. Response was stellar imo.

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SIMPLE PLAN, can you answer this question:

I've seen Ika quick hammer on page 2 to get out of a day one, and Hermit later replaced into a game only to a) not read the thread, and b) lolhammer.

Were either ika or hermit town in those games (I'd wouldn't be surprised if they were)?

Salesman 101. Compare this to Corpse Party. Same deal.

[Yimmy]

4 really coming to verity defense.

Anyways, I am unsure of ceding alignment still. don't really want that lynch today, I think I said that already.

English, please

What's your gut telling you Fireman?

I would assume based on all the praise people have been giving you, you would be aware gut reads are crap?

4xty, Ika, and myself are all obvious town

I would fight against a Vampirate, Firebringer, Yimmy, and Titus lynch today

That leaves Duppin, ASP, and Vedith for me. I am thinking that ASP is probably the most likely to be town out of these, but I admit that I can't read shit on any of these people.

Ika is obvtown? How?

My biggest concern is that most players have been pretty civil and are using a high degree of critical analysis that is quite rare on MS games.

For that reason I could see us going through with a policy lynch rather than gambling on a scum read today. Ika and The Enigma are both slots that have overall ignored the game state. Alternatively, Firebringer has been posting a lot of fluff and seems to be content sheeping rather than scum hunting.

UNVOTE: ASP

Thoughts?

And after you're saying Ika is obvtown you're suggesting lynching it

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On the Fifth Solar Echelon, in the year 2035, top military advisors of the Adeptus Mechanus brought forward three battle plans for winning the war against the mutants, aliens, heretics, and rebels
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Spoiler: Top Secret Plan One

- Sheep Titus on Vedith for honor and glory! Hurrah!

Spoiler: Top Secret Plan Two

- Be the vanguard of democracy and lynch ASP to ensure unity and cohesion! Hurrah!

Spoiler: Top Secret Plan Three

- Play it safe and policy lynch Enigma for ultimate stategic and tactical efficiency! Hurrah!

Without looking at these top secret plans, chose one at random so we can end this goddamn day! I think it is in our best intrests if we all agree to collectively limit our options. I have a feeling this is heading towards a no lynch.

We all have plenty of scum reads to try and make an actual lynch

i'm not liking Vedith

Aww that's not nice. ;<

And just because I think other reasons are weak doesn't mean I don't have my own opinions or reasons for others. - I'm not actually against neither for a lynch of ASP. I think that there are better lynches out there by far.

My reasons for them will not matter until I am lynched. When I get to L1, I will give you the reasons and even welcome a hammer.

Welcome a hammer? That's not very towny behavior
Up for a constantine lynch
VOTE: St Constantine the Hermit

[Vedith]

It's not towny behavior to lynch another towny either.

[Firebringer]

@Yimmy I only speak Engrish.

[Titus]

VOTE: Hermit

I like Yimmy's case there.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't think I can be more obvious town than I already am

[St Constantine the Hermit]

There has also been speculation that Vedith's plays are not extremely different from his town meta. I don't think I am going to push a wagon on him, but I will join it if he surpasses ASP.

This last post from Titus made me reevaluate my read on her. Titus is a total badass as town, and I am not getting the feeling this is town Titus.

I am not confident in an ASP lynch anymore, and it is likely to be uninformative to say the least. I find some of the subtle connections between him and Titus suspicious though, so I believe Titus would be a more informative lynch in order to read ASP.

That leaves me with two new options. Lynch Titus or Policy Lynch Enigma.

[Vampirate]

There has also been speculation that Vedith's plays are not extremely different from his town meta. I don't think I am going to push a wagon on him, but I will join it if he surpasses ASP.

This makes no sense, you don't join a wagon because it got bigger than the other, you join it because you think it might have scum in it.

This last post from Titus made me reevaluate my read on her. Titus is a total badass as town, and I am not getting the feeling this is town Titus.

Give something more quantifiable please. What exactly are you scum reading her for?

I am not confident in an ASP lynch anymore, and it is likely to be uninformative to say the least. I find some of the subtle connections between him and Titus suspicious though,

Explain

so I believe Titus would be a more informative lynch in order to read ASP.

If you have a case on Titus say it, otherwise this reads 'i'm trying to get rid of a good player in the game'.

State you case.

That leaves me with two new options. Lynch Titus or Policy Lynch Enigma.

Again, state your case on Titus, also policying an afk is just giving a free pass to mafia.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I've responded to Titus, ASP, Vedith and now you, how is that 1 person?

You wall post individual players, like you just did with me.

1. I think cohesion and decisiveness is important. Scum wins the more we refuse to consolidate
2. Her behavior
3/4/5. As 4xty point out, Titus appears to be advoiding any critical anaylisis of the ASP wagon, making her a minority party. Her switch to voting me after my revived pressure on ASP is also alarming. The actual reason I am scum reading Titus is because she isn't playing in line with the rest of the players. Her actions seem off, and I pretty much just saw her sheep Hermit, claiming to like a case that didn't even exist, which doesn't seem like town TItus.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Seriously though m8, stop wall posting. You literally quoted me 5 times just to ask me four of the five times what my case on Titus was, lol

[St Constantine the Hermit]

VOTE: Titus

[Yimmy]

I agree I found it ridiculous when she sheeped my case

[4nxi3ty]

Yimmy, I can tell you right now Hermit is shooting from the hip way too much to be scum here.

Reckless posting is really difficult to pull off as scum. There are some that can but it's rare. Cause it just calls too much attention to themeselves, opens up too much room for mistakes.

Alright 4nxi3ty let's try this.

@Titus, what do you think of A Simple Plan?

hey thanks for trying but if you're not already convinced by what I posted, I doubt this question will clear things up for you

just remember what I said later on in the game, especially if I'm not around and vedith flips town and ASP flips scum

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Yimmy, I can tell you right now Hermit is shooting from the hip way too much to be scum here.

Reckless posting is really difficult to pull off as scum. There are some that can but it's rare. Cause it just calls too much attention to themeselves, opens up too much room for mistakes.

This is the thing with scum tells though. If town usually gets cleared by voting all over the place, then scum can imitate the strategy as well.

Generally I agree that the players who analyze the most indiscriminately, and ask a lot of questions, more often than not happen to be town.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Just for the record though, Yimmy is town this game.

[Titus]

@Hermit,

1. Wrong. Scum can win if we consolidate wrong. Consolidation is good but not at the expense of intellectual honesty.
2. I am thinking something a little more specific is in order. I am a badass, standing up to scum.
3. I'm not avoiding critical analysis of his wagon. I am stating that your wanting to lynch Doctor Vahlen and no one noticing is a sign to avoid the wagon. It's a stretch but you could argue I am not analyzing his play. I know ASP is town based on the wagon, so I don't need a behavioral read.
4. Scumreading me for being the voice of dissent? That's precisely what "Badass Titus" does.
5. I will presume you meant sheep Yimmy. #259 is a good case.



Oh I forgot. I do think gut sucks but FB uses it and I want his reaction.

[Titus]

I agree I found it ridiculous when she sheeped my case

So it's ridiculous to highlight when others have good logic? Yeah, I will put this into the garbage logic box.