Open 608: Jungle Republic - A jungle is conquered(game over)

[DeasVail]

Fu
Also fire really is scum
VOTE: Fire

Why?

Also, I'm going to go with this!

Vote: Vedith

More on this later.

[Vedith]

Because Gameplay looked more pushy with it.

He *looked* more pushy because of his "scum! hammer! hammer!". But now you agree that mario was the one doing the actual push and therefore more pushy than gameplay? And since you thought being pushy is a scum-tell, mario should look more scummy to you. Come and join the mario wagon!

I'm not sure I like the changed reason from Mario but I'm also not sure why we wouldn't pressure them both for this.

We can attempt to pressure them both. But only one person will be lynched Today and real pressure comes from the danger of knowing you'll be lynched.

So surely we want to give them both the idea that either can be lynched, right?

[mykonian]

uh, sure, I can explain them, thought it was obvious.

Mario is overexplaining how wacky he is. That's now how wacky works, he's worried it'll get him lynched. Town wack isn't really interested in that. Scum wack because town meta wack is scared it'll get him lynched anyway.
Firebringer is scum because he cares about which scum we lynch. I'm not. I'll take it he's one of the scum that doesn't shoot.
Savant is scum because their reaction to my vote, where they are quick to discredit it by naming the options the vote could have, but obviously not that they are scummy. Also decidedly careful posting.

Would be happy with a lynch on any, firebringer probably the easiest.

[Wanderer-nl]

Nah Firebringer won't be easy. Firebringer is Firebringer and I'm null on him for now.
I can agree with what you said about Mario and Savant though.

[mykonian]

the fact that you like fire as a person doesn't really come into this. He's scum, we lynch him!

[Wanderer-nl]

This is not about whether or not I like Firebringer as a person, it's about me being familiar with his playing style. But thanks for making me smile.

[Firebringer]

Fire is fire!!!

The tunneling on me by mykonian is real.

[Klick]

So let's look at the quick rise and quicker fall of the IS wagon.

vote savant

gottem

First vote on the IS wagon, and his first vote of the game. Essentially a random vote for reading purposes.

How about my awesome train, guys?

Random weird question, who you guys think would be most dangerous scum team here?

Did you read some of the earlier Jungle Republic games before asking this?

DV's probably town, I'm leaning scum on Mario and IS.

VOTE: IS

My vote. I explained it later.

VOTE: Idiot Savant

Maybe klick is town this game

Agreeing with my reasoning.

DV gave an answer only specifying me as a dangerous member of any scum alignment, implying he wasn't thinking in a team mindset.

I'm still not sure about this. My post implied that my lack of saying any other names was due to my lack of experience with anyone else, and you're the only person who I have played a significant amount with (albeit a long time ago). My guess is that I probably would have said the same thing or something similar as scum, though this could be my own ignorance speaking I suppose. What do you think of my argument for it perhaps not being a towntell though? And was this something you considered?

A scumteam of 3 Marios would be a LOT more dangerous than a scumteam of 2

What do you think of Klick's theory?

I'm not as sold on the tell of threes as Klick seems to be, but nonetheless

VOTE: Idiot Savant

Hesitant vote on IS for my reasoning.

@Hayato: What kind of insightful questions do you expect on page 2? My question was a first attempt to get things moving. I happened to already be voting for you, but it's not something I would have voted you over if I wasn't. Like Savant just described having issues with sarcasm/jokes, I have that too. So yeah, when I see something I'm not sure about, I ask. That helps me prevent silly thougtprocesses and eventually tunnelling on a false assumption. I hope you're being aggressive town and not dodgy scum.

I don't know how I feel about how Savant liked my question. I was hoping it would get a little more attention so I could get reads from the reactions, but the reactions to Firebringer's random question attracted more responses so now it's become useless.

I don't know how Klick plays as town, but I read up on this set-up before the game started so I knew where his reads came from and to me they're nothing to worry about. I also felt 20 felt pretty town so I agree with his early townread on DV.

@Savant: It's not a silly reason if it works.
VOTE: Savant

Again, based on my reasoning. Side-note, this post is a town post.

I actually read it
Ok stop it wanderer :/
So lets try this shall we?
VOTE: IS
L-1

He's not totally convinced by my reasoning, but is voting for the sake of putting IS at L-1. Leaning town on this.

After this, myko says he'd be fine with Mario hammering IS (if I'm reading Post #67 correctly).

UNVOTE:

@Mario: What's your exact read of

Rainbow

IS and why specifically?

This is presumably in response to gameplay's L-1 and Mario's intent to hammer.

mario is scum btw.

also suspect wanderer.

GG catching me, but please actually consider who i am before trying to read me, or you will regret it.
And the ONLY reason I wanted to hammer with a 6/5 ratio was because it was ika!hydra, and that's literally it. It would have felt so fucking good to do that hammer vote if they weren't the seer.

yes, considering who you are and this and post 66, you are probably scum.


GODDAMNIT FIREBRINGER

vote firebringer

and I trusted you HOW COULD YOU.

I don't like this hop off of IS, especially since he was cool with a hammer before this.

Fu
Also fire really is scum
VOTE: Fire

This vote makes sense, considering gameplay didn't really seem to have a scumread on IS in the first place, the wagon was dying, and his real scumread was Firebringer.

DV also changes votes, but the wagon is essentially dead by this point.

In conclusion, IS is still scum, I could see myko being scum too, and DV/Wanderer/gameplay are town.

myko, I'm not a fan of your reasoning for suspecting Fire of being scum. If anything, I see him blatantly targeting one scumteam over another as a towntell, because scum would also have to pretend to be finding their own team.

[Wanderer-nl]

@mod:

and everyone: I'll be v/la from Thursday until Monday. Going to a music festival and probably not going to be able to post much at all as mobile battery life will be limited. I'll read at least once a day so I won't fall behind.

Gotcha

[Wanderer-nl]

Fire is fire!!!

The tunneling on me by mykonian is real.

So he's not a buddy of yours?

[Professor Bozo]

I don't think myk/fire are on the same team, Myk, in general, is giving me scum vibes though.

Wanderer is probably town, though, but she's good scum :S

[Wanderer-nl]

Care to give some more definite and substantial reads?

[Firebringer]

Fire is fire!!!

The tunneling on me by mykonian is real.

So he's not a buddy of yours?

I mean anyone could be my buddy right?

Or my guy?

Or in your case gal

Are we partners in crime Wanderer? That would be a awesome team.

[Professor Bozo]

@wanderer, with myk I don't like his positioning over the wagons, post 104 was skeevy, and I don't understand their read of FB - gameplay has also got his vague scum-read of FB in words that aren't borne out by actions. I also don't think myk would behave to FB as a scum buddy would. Having played with FB I think they are gonna be really hard to meta (relatedly, FB, scum games completed?)

WRT to you, you are asking more questions, which I generally tend to town-read, but I know you can also do it as scum, so I'm a little paranoid about it. Your reads progression on Mario is clear as well.

[Wanderer-nl]

@Savant: What do you not like about myk's postion over the wagons? His Firebringer read seems clear to me. If I'm interpreting correctly myk is saying Firebringer is a goon who wants the killing ww gone asap. Which I think is worth considering, but for me is not enough to scumread Firebringer over.
What's your read on Firebringer?

@Firebringer: I know we're not partners in crime, unless lynching scum is a crime ofcourse.

[Jazzmyn]

I'm all caught up and ready to rock.

Vote: Vedith

Because this:

The Mafia don't have the option to kill in the example, is that right?

smacks of scum trying to pretend they don't know their own role in the game setup.

Regards,
Jazz

[shaddowez]

Oh I think it's an alright theory, and for that stage of the game it was better than anything else I had. I just didn't see it as giving a super strong indication of alignment.

I see. Interested in what else you think about him, and also looking for your info on Vedith.

I know I haven't had a ton of activity or content this game, but sadly I think it's better than Vedith's has been. He's asked a couple of baseless questions and hasn't followed up on anything. I'm willing to let my vote sit there for a while.

VOTE: Vedith

I could see myko being scum too, and DV/Wanderer/gameplay are town.

Klick

- Can you please provide some reasons for your reads? You seem to have done nothing but tunnel on IS for most of your posting, so your random scum and town reads have me curious.

[shaddowez]

I know I haven't had a ton of activity or content this game, but sadly I think it's better than Vedith's has been

Alright, just reread my own ISO and it actually hasn't been much better. I plan on changing that though!

Mario, I don't like how you want to hammer a certain person so much for just being that person.

Wanderer

- Why is Mario wanting to hammer a specific person scummier than gameplay just wanting a hammer for the sake of a hammer? (64)

-probably have an alignment tell between klick and fire.

hayato

- Care to go into this any deeper?

[Firebringer]

I have a list if players I don't want lynched today:
Mario
Gameplay
Klick
Hayato

The rest of you can burn!!!!

How does everyone feel about my list of no lynch today?
Agree? Disagree?

[Firebringer]

gameplay have any reads to give?

mykonian you still think I am scum? If so, who are my partners?

[Klick]

I could see myko being scum too, and DV/Wanderer/gameplay are town.

Klick

- Can you please provide some reasons for your reads? You seem to have done nothing but tunnel on IS for most of your posting, so your random scum and town reads have me curious.

They have been explained. The very post you quoted has explanations for myko, Wanderer, and gameplay; I've explained DV before.

[Wanderer-nl]

Mario, I don't like how you want to hammer a certain person so much for just being that person.

Wanderer

- Why is Mario wanting to hammer a specific person scummier than gameplay just wanting a hammer for the sake of a hammer? (64)

Meh Gameplay looks too careless to be scum imo. Doesn't mean I plan to ignore him but I just hadn't gotten to him yet.

I have a list if players I don't want lynched today:
Mario
Gameplay
Klick
Hayato

The rest of you can burn!!!!

How does everyone feel about my list of no lynch today?
Agree? Disagree?

I'm really bummed I'm not on that list, Firebringer.
Klick can be town, Hayato not too sure, Gameplay also not too sure, and Mario doesn't belong on that list.
Why do you not want to lynch them today?

[Firebringer]

it is hard to trust you wanderer. You are unpredictable.

Klick I want alive because if Klick is scum I want to turn it around and lynch em at LYLO to set the game straight unlike last major upset!!!!!
That annoyed me.

Save Klick for another day.

[Wanderer-nl]

So what about the other 3?

[gameplay506]

ok I have to read soon
You know, one of those catch ups
Tho I really feel like fire is different from the other game
here he really is like.. doing nothing