Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[Oversoul]

It's worse writing than a soap opera that Nacho comes in here and attacks me while calling Notsci town.
To quote Avril Lavinge, could it be anymore obvious?

[Nachomamma8]

Who becomes more scummy with the vt claim?

Oversoul becomes significantly more scummy with the not vt claim.

[Wickedestjr]

do you think, given his role, I would have played the end of D2 the way I did with me-scum RC-town?

If you're town here, how would you have played it differently as scum?

[Wickedestjr]

I'd like if someone who has a better setup-dar than me or who is more familiar with the kinds of setups Empire runs to look into this, but the major point here is implo is the correct lynch today if we have reason to believe the setup is 9-3-1 (otherwise we risk reach a degenerate gamestate that's basically impossible to win). there is also the chance Oversoul and/ or RC are just scum, but, meh.

If implosion is an SK and we lynch him, then that takes us to LyLo tomorrow. I would like to avoid LyLo if at all possible. Mafia's a bigger threat.

implosion is only a valid lynch if he's mafia, which it's possible that he is, but I think it best to stay away from him right now because the possibility is there that we can confirm him as not-mafia later. I understand that if we're never able to confirm him, then yes, we'll have to make a tough decision at some point.

[Wickedestjr]

Ffery, are you scum? I've been hoping you could sort of translate my thoughts wrt RC to wicked for me, and then right when I'm expecting you to step in and help, you vote me. Why?

I think I've understood what you're saying. I just disagree and I've explained why. You could try again? I think I'm a pretty understanding person and if you're town, you should have an understandable explanation to provide. As it stands now, this avoidance only bothers me more - we literally

just started

discussing all this.

[Wickedestjr]

I've gotten pretty strong town vibes from RC's posting the last day or two. But I don't understand what's townish or un-fakeable about Oversoul's latest posts. His play has come across as more frustrating than helpful.

Unvote. Vote: Oversoul

1. I asked you question and I don't like when my questions are ignored.

2. We mass claimed for a reason. I can't think of any role that merits this secrecy. I also dislike how you keep ignoring that Tammy's probably dead tonight.

3. You originally claimed VT when you could have said "Not VT". You only revised your claim in this way after it was clear that nobody else was going to claim a power role. You hadn't read the thread at the time of your claim, so not sure how you thought you could play like this.

[RedCoyote]

Hmmmm...

Nacho's talking about ffrey has me wanting to flip flop my Nacho/ffrey reads. I especially didn't like ffrey's "I'm trying something different" thing. I don't claim to know ffrey very well, but that gives me chills. Nacho's angle that ffrey was kind of "testing the waters" and priming herself for a pivot more or less makes a whole lot of sense. Damn, this is going to be a tough call.

In any event, as Wicked/Nacho have been saying, Oversoul can't buy a town post. The poor guy is trying every trick in the book. That slot is not salvageable. Whichever person between pie/notscience is the first to get with the program will be interesting to see.

[Wickedestjr]

Nacho and ffery both attacked each other shortly after I called them scum together... It's an unusual coincidence if they're not scum together but also seems too obvious if they are.

RC, what do you think of my Nacho/Oversoul/ffery idea?

[RedCoyote]

ffrey has only gotten worse for me over time. She seemingly started off very strong, but her indecisiveness and almost, like, lack of energy lately is souring me on her a bit. Her Nacho vote seemed too shady, and when Nacho/you called her out, she seemed to shirk, backtrack and claim she was just trying something different. I just don't really get what her angle is. Then her whole, "I don't want to pressure people that just replaced in out of principle" stance was weird. Way too forced sounding. Either you think the slot is scummy or you don't. She should have the courage to fall one way or the other. If she disagrees with me, Nacho or anyone else about Oversoul, then she should say that.

Nacho has me on the fence. He had me on the fence last game, too, when he replaced in and ended up flipping town. I strongly disliked his slot in that game prior to him replacing though. I mean, you were there, you remember how flaky panda was. I guess I'm rambling and that's neither here nor there, but the short answer is I could see that scumteam, yes. One day at a time though. Oversoul's got to go.

[Empire]

DAY 3, VOTECOUNT 7

Oversoul (3)

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RedCoyote, Nachomamma8, Wickedestjr

notscience (2)

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pieguyn, Oversoul

pieguyn (1)

-

notscience

Not Voting (3)

-

Tammy, implosion, fferyllt

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline is on August 29th at 9:40 AM EST or in (expired on 2015-08-29 09:39:56).

Mod Notes - N/A

[implosion]

I can also see Wicked's scumteam. Which is a problem. Because pie and notscience are both going to throw massive fits over the fact that three people can see a scumteam with neither of them in it. But -sigh-. As time has passed over the course of this day, notscience has done a lot more things that feel town. And my gut says that pie's play over the course of this day has been more town than ffery's. I had a brief moment yesterday of wanting to wagon ffery and see what the fallout looks like, but that's something for later. Point is that I'm looking at this game from the point of view of {me, RC, Tammy} as a town core and RC's taking such charge on wanting os lynched and I can't actually come up with any reasons that are good to not want to lynch oversoul. Not entirely sheeping, but somewhat.

VOTE: Oversoul
L-1.

Claim.

(I have a theory about what he's going to claim incidentally)

[Oversoul]

You guys are really bad at this. Would not be surprised to see all the scum on my wagon if I am wrong about Notsci.

[implosion]

Claim.

[Oversoul]

Nope.
Pretty sure the scum team just blew it's load. I don't think Tammy/Fferyllt are going to hammer me. Same with Pie. Unless Notsci wants to scum claim by hammering me, you guys are stuck.

Bye, Felicia!

[Oversoul]

This is entirely a scum team power play trying to get me to claim.

[implosion]

If you are town you're acting absurdly anti-town right now

it's called a massclaim for a reason

there's this thing called setup speculation

and pie was trying to do it

and i've been trying to do it

and you're refusing to allow the town to do it

[fferyllt]

Don't assume I won't hammer.

[Oversoul]

I will claim once Tammy has checked in.

[Tammy]

I'm out for the day so won't be able to check in until later. I was toying with the possibility that over soul is actually a TV trying to draw the nightkill his way.

I'd really really like it if no one would lunch os right now though!

[Oversoul]

How long you think you'll be Tammy?

[Tammy]

I'll be Tammy for life!

I won't be here until evening probably maybe late afternoon before I get home.

[RedCoyote]

If you are town you're acting absurdly anti-town right now

it's called a massclaim for a reason

there's this thing called setup speculation

and pie was trying to do it

and i've been trying to do it

and you're refusing to allow the town to do it

This screams town.

Oversoul screams scum.

ffrey not backing up implosion here is no bueno. Oversoul doesn't get to not claim, especially if he's making wild (and wrong at least in my case, incidentally) allegations that the entire scumteam in the subset of {myself; Nacho; Wicked; implosion}. I know I'm town, and I have had nothing but good vibes from Wicked all game except for a brief spat when he voted me early on D2. implosion will show his hand soon enough.

Another thing, I guess Oversoul is back to scumreading me again after his so-called epiphany a couple of pages ago. How fickle.

[RedCoyote]

I get Tammy wanting to put the brakes on because she's not around, but I totally don't get where ffrey is coming from. Why is she being so weak? And I don't even want her to just agree with us. That's not the point. I want her to take a stand one way or another. I don't think Oversoul gets to do this as town. That's my opinion. ffrey can agree or disagree with that, but she should be pressed to do it.

"Don't think I won't hammer" is so weak. So weak. It doesn't even sound threatening. Maybe I'm confirmation biasing it too much, but man does she look like an Oversoul partner.

[Wickedestjr]

You guys are really bad at this. Would not be surprised to see all the scum on my wagon if I am wrong about Notsci.

Nope.
Pretty sure the scum team just blew it's load. I don't think Tammy/Fferyllt are going to hammer me. Same with Pie. Unless Notsci wants to scum claim by hammering me, you guys are stuck.

Bye, Felicia!

This is entirely a scum team power play trying to get me to claim.

I will claim once Tammy has checked in.

This is just ridiculous.

[Oversoul]

You're trying to manipulate fferylt into hammering me, aren't you RC?
Hm ok. I am going to be gone for a couple of hours tonight. I'll try to coordinate while Tammy is on