Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[fferyllt]

ffrey not backing up implosion here is no bueno.

What?

[RedCoyote]

Wicked, while your here, what do you think of 2291? Am I being too harsh?

You're trying to manipulate fferylt into hammering me, aren't you RC?

Believe it or not I'm trying to figure out her alignment. That's something us townies have to do.

[RedCoyote]

ffrey not backing up implosion here is no bueno.

What?

Don't give me that. You're smarter than I am. You know what I am referring to. That post is very clear.

[fferyllt]

I see what your post says but I think you've misread something.

[Wickedestjr]

Thinking...

[RedCoyote]

You are not backing up the Oversoul wagon. What implosion said was pitch perfect. Oversoul is playing very anti-town by dragging his claim out like this after everyone has already mass claimed for the purposes of the town piecing together the setup. You should either go on record as agreeing with that sentiment and actually threatening to hammer Oversoul if he doesn't produce (now that opportunity has passed, however, so you can't go back in time and get those town points back ... and your weak "don't assume I won't hammer" which sounded in my mind like a little mouse shaking in her boots OR like a scum partner throwing up a token "threat" to look good), or you should go on record saying that you think this wagon is not good and you definitely do not want to hammer Oversoul right now. Instead you waffled and let the opportunity slip by while you were voting for... no one. Very, very weak move, ffrey.

[fferyllt]

You want to cut tammy's opportunity to talk to and about oversoul tonight?

[RedCoyote]

Tammy is town...

[fferyllt]

because you can threaten and 'no buieno' and call me scum all you like. Won't change what I think about hammering him when Tammy wants input.

[fferyllt]

Tammy is town...

So, that makes her input worthless?

[RedCoyote]

And it's not even about the hammer, ffrey. It's about you putting Oversoul in his place (or not). You should've forced him to claim. I don't think I'm blowing this out of proportion. I think this was very telling about your intentions.

[RedCoyote]

Tammy is town...

So, that makes her input worthless?

No, but I don't need to read her. I need to read you, dear.

[RedCoyote]

Anyway, I have to go, sorry.

V/LA until Friday

.

[fferyllt]

And it's not even about the hammer, ffrey. It's about you putting Oversoul in his place (or not). You should've forced him to claim. I don't think I'm blowing this out of proportion. I think this was very telling about your intentions.

I told him I'd hammer him.

My intentions are what they've been from my first post in this game.

[fferyllt]

Anyway, I have to go, sorry.

V/LA until Friday

.

When you come back I want to know why you were pushng me to hammer when Tammy had JUST ASKED FOR A FEW HOURS.

[Oversoul]

This is getting spicy.

[RedCoyote]

You can act all cool and dispassionate, ffrey, but I don't think you are appreciating where I am coming from in terms of scumhunting here.

When you come back I want to know why you were pushng me to hammer when Tammy had JUST ASKED FOR A FEW HOURS.

You made the "threat" before Tammy posted, so this is misleading. Really misleading.

Really got to go now.

[RedCoyote]

One other thing, I love how you are parroting Oversoul saying that I am pushing you to hammer. I'm not. I distinctly said I wanted you to take a stand. Maybe you interpret that as hammering, but that's not the only way to take a stand.

[Oversoul]

It's not really that absurd to interpret what you said as you wanting her to lynch me. Especially after you were CALLING FOR MY LYNCH ALL DAY. Not more votes, not a "stand", but my LYNCH.

[fferyllt]

You can act all cool and dispassionate, ffrey, but I don't think you are appreciating where I am coming from in terms of scumhunting here.

When you come back I want to know why you were pushng me to hammer when Tammy had JUST ASKED FOR A FEW HOURS.

You made the "threat" before Tammy posted, so this is misleading. Really misleading.

Really got to go now.

I posted precisely what I wanted to convey. Tammy has made it clear in her earlier posts that she thinks oversoul could be town. I want to know why. I don't think him refusing to claim is protown. But, I won't hammer him before she does that. "Intent to hammer" would be directionally true, but misleading because I wasn't going to hammer that very moment if he didn't claim.

This lynch is critical. If it's a mislynch then I'm very worried that the next one will also be a mislynch.

As a musing aside, I'd kinda like my own flip out there so people can evaluate the read-changes today and how well supported they were.

[Wickedestjr]

I wanted to acknowledge this first:

ffrey has only gotten worse for me over time. She seemingly started off very strong, but her indecisiveness and almost, like, lack of energy lately is souring me on her a bit.
...
Her Nacho vote seemed too shady, and when Nacho/you called her out, she seemed to shirk, backtrack and claim she was just trying something different. I just don't really get what her angle is.
...
Then her whole, "I don't want to pressure people that just replaced in out of principle" stance was weird. Way too forced sounding. Either you think the slot is scummy or you don't. She should have the courage to fall one way or the other. If she disagrees with me, Nacho or anyone else about Oversoul, then she should say that.

First, I haven't really noticed a decline in effort/activity from ffery over time. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that this 'change' is actually other players becoming more active rather than her becoming less. E.g. notscience/implosion/Vinkah were all on the back burner early on, but are now noticeably more active slots. I can say this with reasonable confidence, because I think I've been given the same mis-treatment. I do share your concern with regard to her current indecisiveness though.

I completely agree with you about the Nacho vote. Aside from the possible connection to Nacho/Vinkah, that's the single most bothersome thing that I have seen from her this game. I'm

still

trying to wrap my head around it.

This third point seems kinda harsh. I don't think ffery would lie about a principle like this.

Wicked, while your here, what do you think of 2291? Am I being too harsh?

That post is null for me. It makes a lot of sense as a weak distancing attempt. But it also makes sense as a townie trying to get info from Oversoul. Oversoul exuded incorrect confidence that he didn't have to claim because nobody would ever hammer him. And I was happy that ffery put him in his place - even though it makes sense as scum v scum too.


TL;DR - ffery is suspect to me for her interactions with Nacho/Vinkah, for her weird Nacho vote, and slightly because of indecisiveness, but those are the only issues I have right now.

[Wickedestjr]

Reading more of this page, I guess it would have been stronger if she had said "Intent to hammer" rather than "Don't think I won't", but that's a subtle difference. And I'm not yet ready for a hammer either. I still think Oversoul is scum, but I want to see what happens in a few hours.

[Wickedestjr]

As a musing aside, I'd kinda like my own flip out there so people can evaluate the read-changes today and how well supported they were.

If you're town, then

you

already know that you'd flip town. So what do you think?

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP: ...because that kinda sounds like you're taking something from Anen and not science's playbook.

I g2g now, will try to get back to this tonight, but I have several other things to take care of.

[fferyllt]

As a musing aside, I'd kinda like my own flip out there so people can evaluate the read-changes today and how well supported they were.

If you're town, then

you

already know that you'd flip town. So what do you think?

You've kinda waffled about me all game and you don't have a lot of experience playing with me so I'm not inclined to think you're being opportunistic.

Some of the same things apply re RedCoyote, but to a lesser degree and my town read of him had faded somewhat during day 2 and it's mostly his claim that pushed me off his case. We're probably going to get to mylo or lylo with a claimed miller, but I don't consider that to he a horrible thing if the player has played a strong town game all along. he said. he was trying to draw an NK, but I don't see how his play day 1/2 prior to his claim looked like attempting to draw the nk, except for the partial claim. So, less sure about him.

Nacho is the one I'm really worried about. he talked about our usual town mind meld, but I've only had flickers of that. the strongest flicker was on day 1 when he was rethinking Anen. If anyone was going to get into my head and see where my vote came from, it would be him. And instead, he scumread me for it. It's sitting out there in the thread in a strange place with no obvious antecedent because the drivers were all internal. Anyway, he's been going back and forth with you over one vote most of the game day while all this crap is happening between notsci vs pie. I wanted more indication of where his thoughts on oversoul were headed, but maybe that was unrealistic given his thread presence.

Pie completely ignored my nacho vote and launched into setup spec. That also bothered me.