NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[SilverWolf]

I think there are scum in the lurkers-those barely playing for sure.

GM-how would leashing be helpful here?

Leashing TSO? Because he's not Town and not a Survivor and probably able to kill and possibly a 3p or else he'd have selfhammered when I pointed out that he can't be a Survivor.

So, in leashing him, we could net a Scum kill.
Or we could fuck up worse.

Your vote only put him at L-2. I had already pointed out he was at L-3 before that.

And no, I'm not a fan of leashing a 3P killing role or leaving them around in a game once they are out.

[SilverWolf]

If Survivor or any non-killing 3P was possible, I still wouldn't be a fan of leaving him around. His wincon is not the same as town's, I'm sure you are aware of that.

[T S O]

Survivor's been non-Normal since before the new guidelines though, if that's what you're trying to imply, which I don't think it is.

nope

[Shinobi]

The hydra thing?

The 'hydrae aren't Normal' thing.

I don't understand how that would keep you from modding.

[T S O]

If I had to vig someone right now it would probably be Mahonster. Curious gut feeling.

[ika]

ok how about we sttle this once and for all

vet/mod, are survivors allowed in normal games at all?

this is the same shit i had in my other game i hosted where ppl sat aroudn dicussing leaving a 3p alive or not

[Nosferatu]

what is leashing?

[ika]

vet/mod, under current normal guildlies are survivors allowed in normal games at all?

fixed

pedit leashing is leaving a said player alive for town to use. most times its an sk to be left alive to be used as a vig

[Aeronaut]

ok how about we sttle this once and for all

vet/mod, are survivors allowed in normal games at all?

this is the same shit i had in my other game i hosted where ppl sat aroudn dicussing leaving a 3p alive or not

This game is normal, which means it follows the normal guidelines in the Wiki Page.

[Fro99er]

leashing TSO would be pretty risky, in case TSO is actual scum and not SK

[SilverWolf]

this is the same shit i had in my other game i hosted where ppl sat aroudn dicussing leaving a 3p alive or not

Oh yeah, if it's the one I was in there was a quite a debate about this. I know as scum, we wanted him gone but I can't even remember why. He couldn't kill. Town was split. Some wanted him dead. Some didn't but his wincon was very detailed and he decided to work with town but was limited by what town would let him do without lynching him. I think scum just wanted him gone because it wasn't a scum lynch and we were working with numbers/kills/majority at deadline.

I think-this is all off memory which isn't that great.

[SilverWolf]

Oh and do we really want the debate all game of what if he's a fakeclaiming scum?

[Fro99er]

Oh and do we really want the debate all game of what if he's a fakeclaiming scum?

Totally agree. TSO is today's lynch.

But I do want to ask fire...why did you quickclaim cop/TSO guilty? Wouldn't it have been better to try to get another investigation off and out two things tomorrow? You currently weren't in danger of being lynched since day just started. Had you become in danger, you could have claimed. And if you didn't get close to being lynched, you were at least scumread enough that you probably wouldn't have been a night kill, except for a vig, but the even night vig died.

Just curious why you didn't go for a 2nd investigation, and crumbed a TSO guilty instead?

[ika]

Just curious why you didn't go for a 2nd investigation, and crumbed a TSO guilty instead?

suboptimal

also if he dies, its very easy for someone to kinda mess up who he did check and what his results are

[ika]

FOUND IT SURVIVOR IS NOT POSSBILE

[ika]

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

Those affecting a role's alignment (no Cults)
Anything which significantly affects the core mechanic of majority/plurality lynches (no Kingmaker, for example)
Anything resolving with a random element
Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").
Lying to the players, including False Role Reveals and "Scum Masons"
Night action redirection (no Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, or Redirector)
Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")

Alignments other than Mafia/Werewolf, Pro-Town, and Serial Killer (

no Survivor

, Lyncher, or Jester).

Hydra accounts
Differing kill flavor for different factions - everyone that dies at night should flip in the same way (e.g., "died during the night" or "was found dead")

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[ika]

so unless areo somehow bypassed that or NGR overlooked it tso dies today

[Fro99er]

Just curious why you didn't go for a 2nd investigation, and crumbed a TSO guilty instead?

suboptimal

also if he dies, its very easy for someone to kinda mess up who he did check and what his results are

Like I said, he wasn't at risk of dying yet. If he was, he could out his result. If he felt he was townread enough, he could have outed it near day end too. The even night vig is dead, so only scum would kill him tonight. In that event, he could have crumbed his result. There's some pretty obvious ways of crumbing it.

He could still be scum cop. I'm not ruling that out, in which case it's to his benefit to get the result out there ASAP.

[ika]

Just curious why you didn't go for a 2nd investigation, and crumbed a TSO guilty instead?

suboptimal

also if he dies, its very easy for someone to kinda mess up who he did check and what his results are

Like I said, he wasn't at risk of dying yet. If he was, he could out his result. If he felt he was townread enough, he could have outed it near day end too. The even night vig is dead, so only scum would kill him tonight. In that event, he could have crumbed his result. There's some pretty obvious ways of crumbing it.

He could still be scum cop. I'm not ruling that out, in which case it's to his benefit to get the result out there ASAP.

doesnt change the endpoint.

if he dies and never outed results we would of never known maybe

but im not here to have this pointless debate about how or when cops need to claim

[SilverWolf]

OK, If TSO is a killing role, and the other kill is a vig, then there is only one scumteam which makes the chances of Firebringer being a scum cop less likely. I do agree he could of pushed TSO without claiming right away but it's not a bad thing that he claimed. If he dies, and TSO isn't lynched, that's a problem.

[Aeronaut]

VC 2.2

VoteCount 2.2

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch!

Mod Notes:

Skybird -

T S O -

Firebringer, Kop, SilverWolf, Texcat, Lapsa, Ozgin

(L-3)

Ika -

Silverwolf -

Shinobi -

Ozgin -

Texcat -

Kop -

Fro99er -

Lapsa -

Mahonster -

Quaroath -

Firebringer -

RedFF -

Nosferatu -

Annadog40 -

Goodmorning -

Not Voting

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Quaroath, Goodmorning, Fro99er, ika, T S O, Nosferatu, Skybird, RedFF, Mahonster, Shinobi, Annadog40

Food Queue -

French Silk Pie, ice cream sundae, vegetarian dish, roast turkey, PO-TA-TOES, Southern Biscuits and Gravy Lays Chips, Rocky Mountain Oysters, Conch, Cranberry Sauce

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-09-04 00:30:32)

[Fro99er]

OK, If TSO is a killing role, and the other kill is a vig, then there is only one scumteam which makes the chances of Firebringer being a scum cop less likely. I do agree he could of pushed TSO without claiming right away but it's not a bad thing that he claimed. If he dies, and TSO isn't lynched, that's a problem.

And if TSO is groupscum?

Still think Fire could have waited. If he was in danger of death, he could always out, or blatantly crumb at worst. A cop flip means we would have been searching for crumbs. Philosophy I guess. I've been chided multiple times in the past for claiming early, by some of my close friends even, so now I'm wary of it.

[Fro99er]

GM can confirm I got yelled at for claiming tracker too early.

[goodmorning]

Your vote only put him at L-2. I had already pointed out he was at L-3 before that.

And no, I'm not a fan of leashing a 3P killing role or leaving them around in a game once they are out.

Hmm.

Then I think our opinions differ.

If Survivor or any non-killing 3P was possible, I still wouldn't be a fan of leaving him around. His wincon is not the same as town's, I'm sure you are aware of that.

It's as similar to Town's as it is to Scum's. The 3p will play it in their own way, it's a lot more flexible than regular Scum that way.

If he is 3p, he'd probably be inclined to play in a way that would help Town.

The hydra thing?

The 'hydrae aren't Normal' thing.

I don't understand how that would keep you from modding.

I'm annoyed about it and don't want to mod a game in which I don't feel I have discretion as to my playerlists, since I don't personally consider hydrae non-Normal.
Why are you asking me about this?

GM can confirm I got yelled at for claiming tracker too early.

It's true.

[redFF]

i dont care if TSO is a survivor or not (thought I don't believe he is), he's not town, he is clearly today's lynch