Micro 521: Desperation (Game Over)

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VOTE: flow alpha

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Believe in the tier

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Why do you think I'm voting you?

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Who's your main?

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Thanks mario.

Alpha, I feel like I know you and am able to read you better if you tell me your main. Refusal to do so is a clear lack of transparency, which is favorable to scum.

More votes, please.

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I don't remember..where?

What do you think of alpha so far?

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Why do you provide your main so easily after first shwoing no intent to do so?

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I probably don't know you well, kmd

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Do I like you?

Not really. I like that he lends his vote to my questioning, though.

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Who should we vote, alpha?

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Unvote, Vote KT for an overreaction to a joke vote and opportunistic Alpha vote. I'm pretty convinced he's scum.

Lame as fuck
VOTE: kmd

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Teir care to state why your voting kmd

Nope, I want his response to my vote first.

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I'm okay with hypo.

Kmd, creeper seems obviously town to me, especially now that he's attacking the one that is defending him instead of buddying the heck out of me which is what I'd expect newbscum to do. I don't see why you could think creep is scum. He is a weak target though, which makes it easy for scum(you) to push him.

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Okay wth

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Guys I just read the setup the desperado is day-action so there is no need for hypoing

So both the leading wagons are probably on town, a scum is likely one one or both.

Why do you feel so? Why are you not rallying votes then?

Creep, why were you comfortable with putting someone on L-1 so early?

Kmd

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Lol edo just said the same ok

Kmd how do you feel about creep attacking the one attacking his attacker? (voting me while I'm voting you, the one putting pressure on creep)

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Creep, why were you comfortable with putting someone on L-1 so early?

Please respond

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Flow can you stop annoying the shit out of everyone and making this game less fun to play?

Reall, just play to your wincon, whatever that is.

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I hope everyone understands not to put anyone at L-1 with kt in the game.

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VOTE: temp

Sorting the active people is hard for me right now. KT just reads newbie so strongly that I dont have an alignment read there yet. I saw and agreed with the tier vote on kmd at the time it was made but kmd also appears to be asking good questions that move the game along, which tempers my read significantly. Tier still town, though. I don't have any strong suspicions on the people who've been active as the game stands now.

So, this is a blatant sheep of Mario.

Why sheep mario, of all people?

VOTE: temp

Creeper, explain this vote.

Between Flow, KT, and temp, I don't know what to make of this right now.

Flow, if you're not the desperado, you're getting my vote.
Confirm that you're the desperado, then ask temp or KT to claim.

Why is flow scum for his claims?

So I'm sure scum's already aware of this, but Flow's gambit here has narrowed down the desperado to TS, temp, and Lex. They are the only ones who haven't had an opportunity to counter claim Flow.

My suggestion is that they don't claim. They take a shot at Flow, who will flip scum, giving the other scum an opportunity to make a venge-kill. They get a 1/3 chance to succeed at the vengekill (or 1/2 assuming that one of those three is actually scum).
We can debate whether or not the desperado will claim at that point, but if we decide that the desperado doesn't, we should lynch KT.

If we were to lynch him instead of using the desperado shot, there's a significant chance that it'll go to waste. My calculation ends there for unspoken reasons. Don't ask me about it.

Oh you're setting up town shots, verrrry nice!

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He's playing against his wincon as any alignment. Now answer my question.

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Policy lynches suck. I've also indicated that his behaviour makes him completely undesirable to play with, but that's no reason to lymch him.

If you don't actually think he's scum, get your vote off him and use it on someone you actually DO think is scum. Stop being lazy.

As for my opinion, I don't think he's scum, no.

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We're not lynching you flow stop being a lazy crybaby and play the actual game instead of condoning your own lynch.

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Temp, why are you not voting?

Lex and varian, stop flying under the radar and comment on the game tyvm

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@TS
Do you think that Flow Alpha is town?

Yep

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Flow, this is the last time I'll reach out to you. If you don't respond to me, but instead go and call me 'backtracking scum' or something, I'm going to ignore you for the rest of the game.

Understand that I have absolutely nothing to fear, should you flip town. No one is going to take a look at your reads and no one even suspects me right now. Your lymch does not incriminate me in any way beyond your reads just 'saying' I'm scum. No one would lynch me immediately after if you flip town.

Knowing that, now ask yourself why I am trying to halt your lynch.

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Who's scum, varian, and why aren't you trying to get him/her lynched?

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I asked why you weren't rallying votes for your biggest scumspect (which I expected kt to be), which you haven't answered. You also haven't explained why you think temp is scummy.

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Tier, can you explain why you are townreading Alpha? I want to know if it's similar to my reasoning or something different.

I have seen town pull shit like this more often than I've seen scum doing so. As scum, uncertain and unable players usually don't attract as much attention as possible, while town might do that.

I still see no reason for why he's doing this other than possible dayvig who wants to shoot today and elicit as many reactions as possible, while that would still be dumb.

Your reads on edos and temp, please.

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That response you're talking about is really easy and more theory-based than anything.

I do not understand the townread.

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In other news, Maybrony was helpful and logical as town in Newbie 1632.
In this game she's frankly the opposite.

What does this tell you?

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I think I've narrowed down scum to {temp;KT with Varian;lex} or someone is pretty good at fooling me (kmd mebbe?).

I especially want the latter two to talk more.

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Kmd who areeeee ya?

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Could you quote the points that you thought were good and explain why you thought so?

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You can do it tomorrow, no need to get yourself stressed over it.

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I'll never crack

Egg?

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I wondered what role Alpha has.
If they are scum, then TS and me are town. When they claimed to be desperado, they wanted to quick lynch TS and me. I don't think that they can be sure that none of us will be lynched after that claim. So they risk to lynch a mafia, this might look good, but they would get serious problems if the real desperado claims or shoot at them. Also it is dangerous for scum to risk a early counterclaim. And all what they might achieve is the lynch of one of us townie.
If they are the desperado, I don't understand why they disclaimed after someone said that they should shoot today. In fact, I don't understand why they didn't just shoot at one of the two targets. (I don't say it is wise, but it is to expect due to your play style)
If they are the tracker, then nothing makes sense.
If they are VT, which is most likely in my opinion because of the previous cases, the claim was bad, since it risks a possibly counterclaim or a shoot of the desperado.
Alpha, can you comment this? If you are town, what should we do if we lynch one of me and TS and flipped town?

Why are you trying to find out his role?

@TS why can't Alpha think that you are scum? Is the price that you rescued him that he has to work with you?
You have a playing style some of the others find to be scummy. But I don't think that you are really scummy until now.

He cannot hold the fact that I defend him against me. His reasons for why I would defend him if I were scum are completely ridiculous, and I tried to make him realise that, in the hopes of him getting his shit together. How does that make me scummy?

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I think I've narrowed down scum to {temp;KT with Varian;lex} or someone is pretty good at fooling me (kmd mebbe?).

I especially want the latter two to talk more.

So KT went from being obviously town to scum?

Yep

I want you to take a stance on him as well. Stop fencesetting.

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I find kt forgetting what his post was about in 230 to be scummy as fuck.

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I'm the desperado

I am shooting in 24-48 hours.

My shot will be either of Varian, lex or temp. Make your cases for not shooting you right now. Varian, updated reads. Lex, temp, something.

I suggest the lynch be KT. I actually think he's most likely to be scum here, but I don't want him confirmed.

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Kmd also want your input

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I'm not asking em to claim, mario.

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Because if I get NK'd we lose a mislynch, that's why.

Lex, I don't want you to question my motives, I want you to defend yourself.

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Why not shoot KT if you think that he is scum? I think shoot him will give us the most information if he is scum.

Yes, but I want a useful player to be confirmed if I shoot town. If you lynch him anyway, I'd rather shoot someone that can be useful as confirmed town.

I think one of Lex, Varian is scum, the other is probably among the others. Until now most likely for me MM.

Why aren't both of them scum and why needs one of them be scum?

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yeah but they'll leave kt alive because he destroys town more than he does good for it, even if confirmed.

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Why not varian?

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Also, can you show me where you started suspecting me of being desperado?

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I thought a big part of your townread on me was based on guessing I was the desperado...when did you townread me earlier? Be specific, please.

But for real are you egg?

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I just felt that you weren't questioning me at all and there was the 'he might not be VT'-comment.

Things I know about you:
You're on the speakeasy
I have played a couple of games with you
You have played with me as scum
You're a guy

This is too difficult

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Shooting tonight

Varian talk

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Real time tonight

Probs in ~6 hours

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Btw I'm rereading the game before making the kill and will shoot immediately thereafter. Currently feeling temp as townish so it's between lex var and kt for me.

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I'm shooting lex, right now.

I feel that varian is town for his attack on me. At this point in the game, an attack on me was both unlikely to further a mislynch and was also pretty dangerous as I completely demolish people who try to get me lynched with bad arguments. Upon a reread, I feel like his assessment of me was fair and showed that he was really scumhunting.

Mm4 needs to show more. I like what I see, but such a low amount of content can easily be fabricated as scum.

Alpha is shit but not shit enough to warrant a PL.
Edos and kmd feel town and I would advise against lynching them (they will get NK'd, so)

Temp is my second best guess for scum. His posts are full of theory and low in content. I find his trajectory of KT to be sketchy, as 107 indicates a change in read which is later never heard of again, instead saying that new scum doesn't step in to the spotlight, which would have also been applicable to his read in 107.
Next to that, his mm read is static and he's not showing any desire to solve the game. I'd really really like for him to be the lynch today.

Kt is shit, probably town but lynchable.

Goodbye and good luck.

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this town was pretty solid, too!

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I'm not quite sure I like the setup. If scum isn't hit day 1 by either desp or lynch, the game will end up in a very difficult to win 4-2 LyLo (because vengekill).
This means town needs to hit scum day 1, which is very hard with the lack of info available.

Desperado cannot gamble to wait until day 2 because a NK on him means a mislynch lost.

I feel this setup is scumsided.