Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Sinsun1]

yes I have already claimed.

Could you answer my question?

No, you haven't already claimed. You might have thought you did, but I just checked your posts only and for the past day phase there is no claim from you. I take it thought that you are claiming VT as you have not denied that role?

So NOW, that you've claimed and that we know WHO the final PR is. We can test PereV again.

PereV, obviously I townread you, but you must once again be tested as this is the game of minds. So, before Daves hard claims (which he is not counter claimed so by you he is cleared), what role is he? He can either confirm it or say you're lying.

Was this scenario so hard to do? Everyone has been so reluctant for this mass claim and so picky on lynching or not lynching PereV. Now if PereV is indeed mafia, he's going to have to take a pretty wild guess to be right about Dave's role. But if he's town oracle like he claims, then it shall be an easy task to tell us what Dave will hard claim..

Also, I'll tell you how I knew Nero was VT and Daves was the final PR. When PereV claimed what was left, Daves is the one that took the MOST interest in knowing what the final PR was. It was simple logic, but until now there was no way to 100% clear Daves, now that mafia is hiding in the VT claims, he's 100% cleared.

Gee, and here Titus is screaming witch that I am not scum hunting. PereV is not trapped into a corner if he is scum or we have it narrowed down to 3 VT claims if he can once again prove himself right.

[Nero Cain]

No, you haven't already claimed

So Nero just claimed VT for those not paying attention.

[Sinsun1]

No, you haven't already claimed

So Nero just claimed VT for those not paying attention.

Lawl, I must have picked up on it before and then missed it on my reread.

Anyway, yeah, like I said, now to calm everyone's suspicion of PereV, he must now be able to tell us exactly what role Daves is. Do you see how simple that is? I mean, unless he's a mafia role cop, he's going to have to take one hell of a guess if he's mafia. If he's town oracle like he claims and I believe, then it should be "Dave's _____" and Dave confirms it, end of story.

Interested to see what Titus says about this. Let's see the scenario she can make up out of the blue that would fit PereV being right about Dave's role. Oh wait wait wait, I know. PereV, Sinsun AND Daves are all mafia doing a conspiracy against poor little Titus right? Right?

[Titus]

Titus has apparently given up on trying to look town as she is singing the same song as yesterday and ignoring two flips which apparently do not affect her case at all.

Maybe Nero will impress me with his next post by claiming and then scum hunting.

I didn't realize looking town meant agreeing with you. :/ If I take your premise that PV is town, then Nero has to be scum at this point. There's no hunting from my PoV or Nero's.

I just don't.

[PeregrineV]

No, you haven't already claimed

So Nero just claimed VT for those not paying attention.

Lawl, I must have picked up on it before and then missed it on my reread.

Anyway, yeah, like I said, now to calm everyone's suspicion of PereV, he must now be able to tell us exactly what role Daves is. Do you see how simple that is? I mean, unless he's a mafia role cop, he's going to have to take one hell of a guess if he's mafia. If he's town oracle like he claims and I believe, then it should be "Dave's _____" and Dave confirms it, end of story.

Interested to see what Titus says about this. Let's see the scenario she can make up out of the blue that would fit PereV being right about Dave's role. Oh wait wait wait, I know. PereV, Sinsun AND Daves are all mafia doing a conspiracy against poor little Titus right? Right?

Dave knows what Dave is.

Dave's role
Dave's modifier

Pretty sure he targeted me night 6 (or whatever night it was).

[Sinsun1]

So you are saying Dave is the role Thief and cannot use his powers consecutive nights? (Can someone explain a Thief role to me since the page is blank).

[PeregrineV]

So you are saying Dave is the role Thief and cannot use his powers consecutive nights? (Can someone explain a Thief role to me since the page is blank).

crappy links

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Thief

[Thor665]

Titus has apparently given up on trying to look town as she is singing the same song as yesterday and ignoring two flips which apparently do not affect her case at all.

Maybe Nero will impress me with his next post by claiming and then scum hunting.

I didn't realize looking town meant agreeing with you. :/ If I take your premise that PV is town, then Nero has to be scum at this point. There's no hunting from my PoV or Nero's.

I just don't.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me if there seems to be logic in what you are selling.
Your case STRONGLY makes multiple logic leaps. What the Smurf, over?

[Thor665]

@nero - top two scumspect said - I would say "now" but you're so far past that stage that it would be comical to bother.

[Thor665]

Titus has apparently given up on trying to look town as she is singing the same song as yesterday and ignoring two flips which apparently do not affect her case at all.

Maybe Nero will impress me with his next post by claiming and then scum hunting.

I didn't realize looking town meant agreeing with you. :/ If I take your premise that PV is town, then Nero has to be scum at this point. There's no hunting from my PoV or Nero's.

I just don't.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me if there seems to be logic in what you are selling.
Your case STRONGLY makes multiple logic leaps. What the Smurf, over?

I mean, yesterday multiple people wanted to lynch you first and others did not want to lynch Riabi, including you, I am not calling any of you scum for that.

Stop straw manning and playing the fool. Seriously.

[Sinsun1]

So, then the question should be, if the thief targeted PereV what did he steal?

But before that question, can you confirm your role is thief Daves?

[Titus]

I am not strawmanning. You are just by stating there's logical holes. The number of scum is solely dependent on PereV's word. We throw that out and PerV being scum is easy and makes sense.

[PeregrineV]

I am not strawmanning. You are just by stating there's logical holes. The number of scum is solely dependent on PereV's word. We throw that out and PerV being scum is easy and makes sense.

Offer alternatives to 16/5 in a 21 player game.

[PeregrineV]

So, then the question should be, if the thief targeted PereV what did he steal?

But before that question, can you confirm your role is thief Daves?

Not sure if he stole it (gets to us it, or just knows what it is), but stopped me from using it last night.

I know why you can't neighborize tonight.

[Thor665]

I am not strawmanning. You are just by stating there's logical holes. The number of scum is solely dependent on PereV's word. We throw that out and PerV being scum is easy and makes sense.

Well, that then brings you back to "explain what the hell he was doing choosing to bus three scum buddies for no reason" to which your only answer has been "Sinsun is also scum, cop clears are wrong, and the 'plan' was to garner two mislynches after pushing three scum deaths instead of doing a plan that involved one mislynch...with multiple chances at it."

So you would think you would grok why my credulity is strained and you would THINK you would bother trying to explain the "plan" a bit better when I keep asking you about it.

Why aren't you?

I am clearly TRYING to listen and understand...do you grok how town play the game?

[Titus]

I am not strawmanning. You are just by stating there's logical holes. The number of scum is solely dependent on PereV's word. We throw that out and PerV being scum is easy and makes sense.

Offer alternatives to 16/5 in a 21 player game.

15/6

[Titus]

I am not strawmanning. You are just by stating there's logical holes. The number of scum is solely dependent on PereV's word. We throw that out and PerV being scum is easy and makes sense.

Well, that then brings you back to "explain what the hell he was doing choosing to bus three scum buddies for no reason" to which your only answer has been "Sinsun is also scum, cop clears are wrong, and the 'plan' was to garner two mislynches after pushing three scum deaths instead of doing a plan that involved one mislynch...with multiple chances at it."

So you would think you would grok why my credulity is strained and you would THINK you would bother trying to explain the "plan" a bit better when I keep asking you about it.

Why aren't you?

I am clearly TRYING to listen and understand...do you grok how town play the game?

If you were, you would have realized Suzune got it and that's why she died. Your total obliviousness is why you are living.

Bussing a few buddies is how PerV proves himself. *shrug*

If Nero flips town, we lose anyway because you aren't willing to think.

[LittleGumball]

Suzune got it and that's why she died.

Or maybe it's because she was confirmed town...

[LittleGumball]

Either way there's literally no reason for Pere to randomly bus his entire team. They were so close to winning. Why on earth would he decide to give the town an advantage when the mafia could have let the town mislynch?

[davesaz]

Thief steals a usable ability, if any, from the targeted player. That role can be used the next night.
I did indeed steal from PereV, and got the neighborizer. I didn't do anything with it, since I did not want to reveal until the remainder of the claims.

[Klingoncelt]

I thought Thor had the Neighborizer. So anyway, are you going to use it?

[Titus]

So why didn't you get the Oracle?

[Thor665]

I am not strawmanning. You are just by stating there's logical holes. The number of scum is solely dependent on PereV's word. We throw that out and PerV being scum is easy and makes sense.

Well, that then brings you back to "explain what the hell he was doing choosing to bus three scum buddies for no reason" to which your only answer has been "Sinsun is also scum, cop clears are wrong, and the 'plan' was to garner two mislynches after pushing three scum deaths instead of doing a plan that involved one mislynch...with multiple chances at it."

So you would think you would grok why my credulity is strained and you would THINK you would bother trying to explain the "plan" a bit better when I keep asking you about it.

Why aren't you?

I am clearly TRYING to listen and understand...do you grok how town play the game?

If you were, you would have realized Suzune got it and that's why she died. Your total obliviousness is why you are living.

Bussing a few buddies is how PerV proves himself. *shrug*

If Nero flips town, we lose anyway because you aren't willing to think.

Suzune steeped my play - if she 'got it' then I was at least very close.

Bussing store buddies when he had no need to? And, functionally, bussing four or lying about the town tracker - I am not sure which you believe at this stage.

What proof of my lack of thinking do you have? I see three dead scum, that certainly at least looks like I'm at least idiot saga ting into good calls - why so whiny about it?

[Sinsun1]

So why didn't you get the Oracle?

Because PereV has two abilities and the mod has chosen which one Daves gets, that's why. Any other questions? Or are you going to ignore the fact that Daves just confirmed his role that PereV claimed to be the final town PR, not only that but as he predicted, only one town PR was among the remaining unknowns and the other 2 were VT.

At this point. It is between Nero and Titus being mafia and I'm willing to bet my reputation as a scum hunter that it's Titus. That reputation means nothing to you lot, but in sites I come from when I am town, if I am left alive by mid game and we have clues from investigative roles, it's pretty much over for scum as long as town is willing to listen to logic.

This game is over now, one or the other is scum, we have 2 mislynches available for bloody hell. Good game. You tried.

[davesaz]

In the pattern of results I got, it looks like if an ability is n-shot and all shots used up then it is not among the abilities to steal.

I'm leaning Titus, but agree on Nero being the other candidate. There is a 3rd possibility, with the known use of dual roles in the game and the observed nature that many of the roles in the game are nerfed in some way. Trying to think of what role might pair naturally with doctor and still make sense with scum.