Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[Shiro]

Ika, I'm surprised you're not accusing me of being scum.

You know, with my lack of activity and all.

Well if he accused you for it he would have had to be active himself

TBH I think there is a chance of ika being scum with the other being one of Shadow,veegee or metal

i really dont think Veegee is scum.

Why? It not like he has done anything to justify any short of townread

[Malakittens]

Right, but both cases hinge on meta which is too subjective.

PEdit - Mala, NS can usually read you pretty accurately, no? Why do you think he has got it wrong?

Not really no. He's just wrong...

[notscience]

Right, but both cases hinge on meta which is too subjective.

PEdit - Mala, NS can usually read you pretty accurately, no? Why do you think he has got it wrong?

Yes, mine is based on meta, however it also is based on her gameplay this game, totally out of the realm of meta.

Look at it from a purely play based perspective-

She has played blatantly defensive

She lashes out and demands to know why people are scumreading her but when they present reasons she blatantly ignores them

She repeatedly tries to discredit people pushing her

Are these town or scum indicative?

[Malakittens]

Nor can Ika so~

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VeeGee was prob a counter-wagon to Maxwell. I doubt we were running two scum up...although that does make me wonder why the VeeGee wagon never picked up.

PEdit - NS, I don't think being defensive is scummy.

She should probably respond to the second point - that's scummy.

How is she discrediting people pushing her? Can you quote examples for me?

They are mostly scum indicative. With exception of being defensive.

[Malakittens]

Nacho, Fery, Huntress, mollie, cabd are the main people on site who can read me perfectly.

[notscience]

I never onced wavered on the town read on you. I had doubts because of the two days you weren't posting here, but posting on MS.

You're trying to jam another wagon with 2-3 left on the DAy. Not to mention there are a few other people that deserve fire before me hint: the one I'm voting.

Im overly defensive because you know me so I don't exactly know why you are scum reading me. You did this in FG's game too and you got the same reaction out of me, but you are forgetting that game apparently.

Maybe discrediting was the wrong term, which I rescind.

Throwing shade maybe?

Like it's just constantly been "You are wrong" "Knock it off" "You forget this game where I acted this way!" and then 581 seems like it's setting up a discredit or scumread with absolutely 0 follow up

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, can see where you're coming from there.

Mala, do you have any response for NS?

[Malakittens]

I don't really give a shit. He can't read me for crap, now he's in a tunnel which he needs to get out. We lynch scum today and we win, plain and simple. I'm trying to get him from tunneling me and direct his attention to finding scum.

[Malakittens]

I'm always freaken defensive. This has been something that the site has been trying to fix since my first game on site. It's never going away.

I'm trying to figure out people's motives, whether or not they are fabricated or what. THIS IS HOW I SORT PLAYERS.

[notscience]

Can I unrescind my discredit bit?

[Malakittens]

you can do whatever your little heart desires, idc anymore.

[notscience]

Well that would probably be because people are realizing you're only replying to reasonless accusations.

[zakk]

Okay Scorpius on page 34 feels like scum

[zakk]

Also-

Whoever made the coaching claim, when we have a flipped encryptor, is laughable.

That was me

I don't think it's laughable

[zakk]

Her approach to the game seems to be "lash out at whoever is scumreading me" like she was worried about being on her back foot from the start. When Zakk engaged her she made an excuse that she lashed out because he was putting her down or something like that and then she's doing the exact same to me who didn't do anything remotely like that once.

It overall feels like she came into this game worrying more about people thinking she's town (see her jumping on everyone for scumreading her). At the end of day 1 when I suggested she get wagoned she blew up because "there are lurkers who are a better lynch than me" rather than try to work with me and say 'hey this is what you are seeing but no its actually this" she just flat out was like "THIS IS AN INSULT THAT YOU WOULD LYNCH ME OVER A LURKER" and that just feels fake. It feels like she's faking emotional outbursts for no apparent reason, and regarding Ika's reason for townreading her, she was hardly scumreading him. And I understand your point that her post to max seems unlikely scum/scum but if she'd done that to other players to and not them that would be a pretty big smoking gun.

Yes mala is still really scummy but that doesn't mean that getting her to focus on "scumhunting" instead of overall defensive behavior won't have net pro town benefit

So

[zakk]

Oh and me saying "I'll won't be lynched etc" is something I say regardless of alignment. It's just something that's just me.

So you're UN crumbing PR then. K

[zakk]

Thank you Mala, you have given me something to chew on..

@Singer,that's fair. I've just seen it trend to other way..

Agreed

It's either scum or useless town who say it

Either way, they're better lynches, on average

[zakk]

VOTE: Ika

I'll settle on this, but Sonic is next.

>.>

And you just called out someone else lining up lynches a few posts before this

Tsk tsk malaaaaa

[zakk]

Why are you reading these people the way you are reading them?

meta and guts

I'm gonna run a "metal vs guts" mafia some day

[zakk]

Right, but both cases hinge on meta which is too subjective.

PEdit - Mala, NS can usually read you pretty accurately, no? Why do you think he has got it wrong?

Yes, mine is based on meta, however it also is based on her gameplay this game, totally out of the realm of meta.

Look at it from a purely play based perspective-

She has played blatantly defensive

She lashes out and demands to know why people are scumreading her but when they present reasons she blatantly ignores them

She repeatedly tries to discredit people pushing her

Are these town or scum indicative?

It's WIFOM

She's getting lynched before d4 though if we haven't lynched another scum yet, or she hasn't been cleared in some manner

[zakk]

I never onced wavered on the town read on you. I had doubts because of the two days you weren't posting here, but posting on MS.

You're trying to jam another wagon with 2-3 left on the DAy. Not to mention there are a few other people that deserve fire before me hint: the one I'm voting.

Im overly defensive because you know me so I don't exactly know why you are scum reading me. You did this in FG's game too and you got the same reaction out of me, but you are forgetting that game apparently.

Maybe discrediting was the wrong term, which I rescind.

Throwing shade maybe?

Like it's just constantly been "You are wrong" "Knock it off" "You forget this game where I acted this way!" and then 581 seems like it's setting up a discredit or scumread with absolutely 0 follow up

100% agreed

[Malakittens]

Oh and me saying "I'll won't be lynched etc" is something I say regardless of alignment. It's just something that's just me.

So you're UN crumbing PR then. K

when did i even crumb a PR in the first place

and if I was crumbing a PR what's the town adv in saying this outloud...?

[zakk]

Interesting. Caught up. I like mala as scum more than my recent posting may indicate, but I also don't want to lynch her today cause I could see her as town too

Scorpius is looking ripe for rope tho

And ika is just. Idk, kinda feels like a VI

Scorpius

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Ika

I'll settle on this, but Sonic is next.

>.>

And you just called out someone else lining up lynches a few posts before this

Tsk tsk malaaaaa

No I freaken didn't.

I'm pretty sure the game is won if we lynch between {Sonic, Ika, BBT} If not then {Shiro, Axxle, zakk}. I'm pretty sure all my townreads are right so {Singer, Notty, Scorpi} (Zakk and Axxle are actually townreads, but I'm not as sure as them as I am of the top three)