Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[goodmorning]

'I'm very pleased with my princess,' Kazul said mildly. 'And no, I didn't have to haul her back, as you would realize if you'd given the matter a little thought. Or does your princess normally leave seven servings of chocolate mousse in the kitchen when she runs away?'
'Hear, hear!' Roxim said.
Cimorene noted with interest that Woraug's scales had turned an even brighter green than usual and that he was starting to smell faintly of brimstone.

Votecount 3.1

shaddowez [L-2] - Wisdom

Not Voting [4] - The Betting Pool, Vedith, shaddowez, Elbirn

With 5 alive, it takes

3

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-09-04 20:00:00).

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Shaddowez

[Vedith]

@Elbirn - Remind me how you are cleared as town? Because you "shot" Wisdom?

[Elbirn]

Because I'm cimorene.

[Elbirn]

I just realized I shouldn't have claimed, because if this goes to 3p LyLo, I survive to that point, and we mislynch, I could have at least tied the game (scum kills me I kill scum every one is dead)

So basically shaddowez better be scum

[The Betting Pool]

Waiting on shaddowez to show up before pursuing anything there.

Vedith, opinions on what's been going on? Reads on shaddowez and Elbirn? Haven't seen much out of you since early Day One.

--PA

[Vedith]

Yeah sorry about that. I'm only on a phone until tomorrow tor so let's see how it's goes. Well, I doubt that Elbirn is scum but I need to review more into it to confirm and I've thought Wisdom as town all game more or less. You have confirmed he is town anyway and I doubt that you would have pushed so much on Fire as scum. Would like to hear Shadow first but he's currently lower on the list as town for me.

[Elbirn]

Dear Vedith,

Vote for shaddowez he's scum.

Love, Elbirn

[Vedith]

I'll let him speak first.
Is he L1?

[Elbirn]

Yep, 3 to lynch, me and wisdom are voting him I think?

[shaddowez]

Well, I'll start out by claiming since I'm at L-1. I realized I did a crappy job this game given my role....I was thinking PR, play it safe. I'm the Stone Prince, Town Bulletproof. I also realize this is the scummiest claim, since it can always explain why I never died at night.

The B.P. and Wisdom are conftown now, so that leaves Vedith and Elbirn.

Elbirn and Vedith both voted for Axxle

and

Fire, so VCA is tough here. However, looking at Fire and Axle's ISO brings up different results. Together there's only 4 instances of Vedith being mentioned(one of which was quoted), and they're both reads of null leaning town or town, with absolutely no explanations.

Elbirn comes up 22 times, but a bunch of those are in quotes as well. There's more interaction, but not a lot of scum hunting. The quote that most specifically sticks out to me regarding Elbirn is this:

It can easily be town, I think scum don't favor playing as though they are confident it attracts unwanted attention

Unless anybody has a strong argument for Vedith, I'm going to
VOTE: Elbirn

[The Betting Pool]

shaddowez, what about that quote sticks out to you to indicate scum-Elbirn? What about the content of each of their posts, not just their interactions with flipped scum, one of whom might not even have known his teammates? What would you consider to be a strong argument for Vedith?

Vedith, waiting on more thoughts about the game state and what's motivating your reads.

--PA

[Wisdom]

vedith claim please

[Wisdom]

or basically just hammer

bp makes sense for scum to have given the vig

[Vedith]

I'm Roxim VT.
Follow up post this evening.

[Wisdom]

uh

so then who saved me?

[Wisdom]

the only explanation i can think of is elbirn actually shot shadow and he was lying to make shadow claim non-bp

[The Betting Pool]

Paranoia says it could have been doc fishing on Elbirn's part or just hoping to push the lynch on Wisdom to buy time. Seeing as, without an effectively innocent tracking result on Wisdom, I could see that working. If we'd tracked shaddowez, assuming shaddowez-town for a sec, it comes down to Wisdom, Elbirn, Vedith. Get Wisdom lynched, shrug shoulders at a town flip, interfere with our track the next night (assuming scum has some power to mess with town-investigative, even if only once) and NK now-known shaddowez-town, cross fingers for the end game of us, Vedith, him.

Question for me is, why would Elbirn have had Firebringer do the NK Night One if that was the case? Unless the consensus is that they were both very town-read at the time or if Elbirn was the one with the scum PR.

--PA

[The Betting Pool]

So we have:

TBP: Morwen, tracker
Vedith: Roxim, VT
Elbirn: Cimorene, even-night vig
Wisdom: Kazul, one-shot governor
shaddowez: Stone Prince, BP

to recap. They all more or less make sense with flavor, FWIW.

--PA

[Wisdom]

day 2 governor, to be exact

[Elbirn]

Alright, I reread my role pm. Trying to paraphrase and not just day everything exact because mod kills. My vig ability flavor is named something along the lines of lemon juice and buckets of soapy water. It more specifically states that I can attempt to kill someone

If I had to guess, my vig doesn't work on anyone but wizard characters because it's lemons and soapy water, which melts wizards in the books.

Wisdom didn't die because he's not a wizard.

[Elbirn]

Anyway look I get that I look shady for shitty play and I should have just shot shaddowez last night. Fine. I was rereading some things last night, Wisdom stood out to me as seeming profoundly not like himself in our other game, I saw evidence of him being scum where there wasn't any and I made the wrong shot on the basis that if wisdom is scum, I'm not gojng to be able to drum up the support to lynch him because no one suspects him.

I'm still fucking cimorene, and unless you're telling me scum gets the main character of the book as a fake claim, I'm town.

With wisdom conftown'd, I'd bet money it's shaddowez. Someone plez hammer him.

[Wisdom]

that sounds too fucking op.

[Wisdom]

Does it explicitly state that if your target isn't scum, they won't die? Or are you just assuming it?

[Elbirn]

I'm assuming it based on the fact that you're alive and you haven't claimed bp, there's no doctor after mass claim, and my role says that I can *attempt* to kill someone. And buckets of soapy water don't kill anything but wizards according to flavor