Micro 521: Desperation (Game Over)

[TierShift]

Why not shoot KT if you think that he is scum? I think shoot him will give us the most information if he is scum.

Yes, but I want a useful player to be confirmed if I shoot town. If you lynch him anyway, I'd rather shoot someone that can be useful as confirmed town.

I think one of Lex, Varian is scum, the other is probably among the others. Until now most likely for me MM.

Why aren't both of them scum and why needs one of them be scum?

[temphdq]

That is a bad idea. If you shoot town, the person you confirm would be nightkilled anyway, since he is confirmed town. So it is not good to confirm an useful player.
In other words the person you shoot at will die anyways, ether by you or by the Mafia.

They can both be scum. I think that at least one of them is scum because I see town in the most other players and I don't know much about them.

[TierShift]

yeah but they'll leave kt alive because he destroys town more than he does good for it, even if confirmed.

[Kmd4390]

Tier, I don't think I'd shoot Variann. So of those three it's either Lex or Temp and I could almost flip a coin between them. But like I said before, if Temp were town I wouldn't want to lynch KT anymore. I personally think a KT shot is most likely to hit scum and gives us the most info. Even if you confirm him as town, I still think he'd be shot by scum. Confirmed town players are dangerous for them regardless of who it is. So KT would still be my top choice. After that, if I were forced to choose, I guess Temp over Lex.

[TierShift]

Why not varian?

[TierShift]

Also, can you show me where you started suspecting me of being desperado?

[Kmd4390]

Because Temp is kind of an "if I'm wrong about KT" scum read and Lex is a POE maybe scum lean. Varian is somewhere between null and weak town.

And to your other question, post 267.

[TierShift]

I thought a big part of your townread on me was based on guessing I was the desperado...when did you townread me earlier? Be specific, please.

But for real are you egg?

[Edosurist]

That is a bad idea. If you shoot town, the person you confirm would be nightkilled anyway, since he is confirmed town. So it is not good to confirm an useful player.
In other words the person you shoot at will die anyways, ether by you or by the Mafia.

That's not necessarily true because of WIFOM games with the tracker.

@TS
I think our reads are pretty in sync here. I'd prefer you shoot temp, but Lex should be your runner up. I wouldn't shoot Varian.

[LexTrew]

Because if I get NK'd we lose a mislynch, that's why.

Lex, I don't want you to question my motives, I want you to defend yourself.

You are scumreading me for what I have not been doing. How im supposed to defend myself?

[Varian-]

Blah.

UNVOTE: Tiershift

My head isn't really in the game right now due to reasons that have nothing to do with the game, sorry. So I don't have updated reads right now because I have barely looked at or thought about this game. Desperado me if you want, I guess, but I'm town.

[Edosurist]

You are scumreading me for what I have not been doing. How im supposed to defend myself?

What you've not been doing is posting much content. Post more content.
You have 7 posts of the game 286 in. One of those is a fluff post. There's more you can be doing.

Why claim desperado now instead of later when we have more info? The chances of you shooting town are pretty high

This sounds like scum talking to me.
Why did you feel the need to say this as one of your seven posts?

[LexTrew]

What you've not been doing is posting much content. Post more content.
You have 7 posts of the game 286 in. One of those is a fluff post. There's more you can be doing.

Ty for proving my point I guess? I cant defend myself when im being scum read for inactivity

This sounds like scum talking to me.
Why did you feel the need to say this as one of your seven posts?

Because I see no benefit in claiming desperado now?

[Varian-]

He is most likely telling the truth, Lex. If it were a fakeclaim, he risks being shot by the actual desperado. I doubted it for a sec too because the timing was sketchy as hell but I don't see why scum would fakeclaim it given the current game state.

And with Tier most likely being town I probably just need to reread the game entirely, cuz something is majorly off with my reads. Sorry my life is butts right now, I will get to it hopefully within the next 24 hours or so (but not right now, sometime when I can actually sit at a computer and have multiple tabs open and such).

[temphdq]

That's not necessarily true because of WIFOM games with the tracker.

That is not so likely, unless they have a strong hypothesis of the tracker

So the plan is to lynch KT no matter who confirms as town? I prefer to lynch based on the information we get by the shoot. Otherwise we can just shot KT.

[Edosurist]

@temp
I guess you're right. What am I thinking.

I say we lynch KT if you flip town. If you flip scum, I'm willing to call KT clear, although daytalk does lessen that read, as somebody mentioned at some point.

@Var
I don't believe Lex was questioning whether TS actually was. He was questioning whether it was the right choice.

@Lex
What we're trying to say is that you need to post more content.

Im town reading Edo and kmd, leaning scum on KT (but could easily be just newbie town).
I dont get Flow at all, but I dont think he is scum actually, I dont see scum motivation behind his claims (well, it would get to a WIFOM thing).

Also, you have your vote on MM, but you're not confident in that read. And apparently you also think KT is scum. That's all I got from you.

[wgeurts]

VC 1.07

KTthecreeper (2):

Kmd4390, Edosurist

temphdq (2):

Flow Alpha, MarioManiac4

MarioManiac4 (2):

temphdq, Lex Trew

Kmd4390 (1):

TierShift

Flow Alpha (1):

KTthecreeper

Not Voting:

Varian-

With 9 alive, 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-09-02 11:14:13)

Notes:

KTthecreeper has been prodded, he has (expired on 2015-08-31 03:41:25).
Kmd4390 is VLA (31-8-2015)

[Kmd4390]

Tier, I just worked 16 hours on 3-4 hours sleep and have to work again in 6 hours, so my mind is borderline drunk from exhaustion which is why I'm V/LA, but... I actually didn't have you as strong town for about the first half of this day. I think what made me start to lean that way was when we were talking about Temp and you asked me to look into him and I realized your read may have been better than mine. You appeared genuine in reading Temp. You're good enough to do that as scum though, so the paranoia side of things was always going to be there until your claim. But yeah, to answer your question I guess the Temp discussion started it and your claim solidified it. I'm curious why you thought I knew you were desperado lol. I suck at finding power roles and don't bother trying even as scum most of the time.

[TierShift]

I just felt that you weren't questioning me at all and there was the 'he might not be VT'-comment.

Things I know about you:
You're on the speakeasy
I have played a couple of games with you
You have played with me as scum
You're a guy

This is too difficult

[Flow Alpha]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KTCreeper

I cannot deal with this fucking child any longer, excuse my language but at some point we are going to need to policy lynch this poor excuse of a player.

[Flow Alpha]

へ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ノ凸 vote the child please, i cannot stand him.

[KTthecreeper]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KTCreeper

I cannot deal with this fucking child any longer, excuse my language but at some point we are going to need to policy lynch this poor excuse of a player.

i think people who do talk like that shouldn't be in this game

[KTthecreeper]

ATTENCEN PEOPLE I AM REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA I HAV BEEN PLAYING DUMB TO HA anyway i have played alot on other sites i juts wanna look stupid so mafia won't target me

[Flow Alpha]

Given your behaviour throughout the game, I really, really, doubt this. Do you have any links to said games?

[Edosurist]

Preemptive prodge.

I'm waiting on TS to take a shot WITH ENOUGH TIME for us to have discussion in case of a scramble at the end here.