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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:00 pm

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In post 224, Shinobi wrote:This is untrue.
You are RC both wound up on my scumlist early for almost the exact same thing.

quote it, tough guy. Everything you've outed as reasoning is superficial nonsense that shows zero regard for legitimate assessment of a player's actions/motivation and simply appraising appearances, but you haven't even really bothered making arguments for RC-scum
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:02 pm

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In post 225, catboi wrote:
In post 224, Shinobi wrote:This is untrue.
You are RC both wound up on my scumlist early for almost the exact same thing.

quote it, tough guy. Everything you've outed as reasoning is superficial nonsense that shows zero regard for legitimate assessment of a player's actions/motivation and simply appraising appearances, but you haven't even really bothered making arguments for RC-scum


Alternatively you can stop acting like such a cunt and go read it.
It's post #54.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:03 pm

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There's absolutely zero reason to be using language like that in this game.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:03 pm

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In post 227, catboi wrote:There's absolutely zero reason to be using language like that in this game.


Shut up.
Go read and and stop fucking bugging me.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:04 pm

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It is absolute basic mafia play to explain your reads and both you and RC are acting like shitters about it.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:06 pm

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Having catboi on your scumlist is literally unfathomable fyi.

That's a scumclaim of the highest order.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:07 pm

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In post 230, RadiantCowbells wrote:Having catboi on your scumlist is literally unfathomable fyi.

That's a scumclaim of the highest order.


Except I changed my read already.
So good job not reading the thread either.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:07 pm

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In post 54, Shinobi wrote:Radiant is also on my list, though he has remained unmentioned only because catboi was around and RC supposedly wasn't.
I doubt both scum would use a similar phrase and associate with each other so early so I'm most likely wrong somewhere, but I intend to find out where.

What do you think of these two players?

In post 109, Shinobi wrote:
In post 106, RadiantCowbells wrote:Uh, my vote isn't RVS at all thanks.


Are you going to explain it or are we going to have to lynch you instead?


In post 119, Shinobi wrote:UNVOTE:
I've completely lost interest in this conversation. When you feel like being useful, let me know.

VOTE: RC
I'm happier with my vote here atm.

Pedit: This game isn't really fun so I'm not really putting my back into solving it.


In post 175, Shinobi wrote:I can dig a switch back to RC.
VOTE: RC

This is an absolutely
embarrassing
"case" to be okay with lynching a player on. If someone can defend this as the thoughts of a town player, I'd love to hear it, but as far as I can tell he's just been deliberately needling RC.

The fact that Shinobi again refuses to elaborate on his scumread when pressed on it, when that is the
exact
reason he's supposedly voting RC, is a
massive
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:09 pm

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In post 232, catboi wrote:
In post 54, Shinobi wrote:Radiant is also on my list, though he has remained unmentioned only because catboi was around and RC supposedly wasn't.
I doubt both scum would use a similar phrase and associate with each other so early so I'm most likely wrong somewhere, but I intend to find out where.

What do you think of these two players?

In post 109, Shinobi wrote:
In post 106, RadiantCowbells wrote:Uh, my vote isn't RVS at all thanks.


Are you going to explain it or are we going to have to lynch you instead?


In post 119, Shinobi wrote:UNVOTE:
I've completely lost interest in this conversation. When you feel like being useful, let me know.

VOTE: RC
I'm happier with my vote here atm.

Pedit: This game isn't really fun so I'm not really putting my back into solving it.


In post 175, Shinobi wrote:I can dig a switch back to RC.
VOTE: RC

This is an absolutely
embarrassing
"case" to be okay with lynching a player on. If someone can defend this as the thoughts of a town player, I'd love to hear it, but as far as I can tell he's just been deliberately needling RC.

The fact that Shinobi again refuses to elaborate on his scumread when pressed on it, when that is the
exact
reason he's supposedly voting RC, is a
massive
scumtell


You mean voting someone for having a baseless scumread is a scummy thing to do?
Just like rc is doing?

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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:10 pm

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"Deliberately needling rc."
Sure bud.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:14 pm

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Just claim scum in thread, why don't you?

Approximately zero chance you respond to me that way if you're town.

Refusing to explain yourself isn't the scumtell, it's the fact that it's hypocritical
by your own reasoning
. If you believed doing that was actually a scumtell of some measure, you surely wouldn't do the exact same thing when you were pressed. Your dismissiveness at this point only gives you way further.

I hope to god when the rest of the town starts being active they actually see this because it's blindingly clear at this point
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:15 pm

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In post 235, catboi wrote:Just claim scum in thread, why don't you?

Approximately zero chance you respond to me that way if you're town.

Refusing to explain yourself isn't the scumtell, it's the fact that it's hypocritical
by your own reasoning
. If you believed doing that was actually a scumtell of some measure, you surely wouldn't do the exact same thing when you were pressed. Your dismissiveness at this point only gives you way further.

I hope to god when the rest of the town starts being active they actually see this because it's blindingly clear at this point


Except it's not the same thing at all.
RC claims he has a reason for voting me.
I repeatedly ask what that is.
He doesn't explain.

He doesn't have one.
He is scum.

Whatever bit you're calling about hypocrisy is literally bosh because he was the one who started this exchange.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:19 pm

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Lol if that's the sum total of your case

again that's a total pathetic excuse that's an ill-justified reason to lynch someone

Really, folks, there's zero chance shinobi responds to me this way as town and I hope to god you can understand that

RC, please either play the game or replace out

Thank you and good night~
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:19 pm

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In post 237, catboi wrote:Lol if that's the sum total of your case

again that's a total pathetic excuse that's an ill-justified reason to lynch someone

Really, folks, there's zero chance shinobi responds to me this way as town and I hope to god you can understand that

RC, please either play the game or replace out

Thank you and good night~


So RC's reasoning is better?
Okay then.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:22 pm

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Spiffeh get back on RC.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:43 pm

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Ok after sitting down, thinking about it, constantly re-writing, thinking some more, and re-writing again, this is my analysis.

I am absolutely sure about the following:

Out of Shinobi and Catboi, at the very least one has to be a townie.
I say this because I find it hard to believe that both sides are convinced of the other one's scumness without at least one of them having solid proof. If they're both innocent, then they both are sure of their innocence. There's also the fact they've both been pretty passionate about their reads of the other, and thats pretty hard to fake without at least one of them actually being innocent. This is good because we can eliminate the option that they're both scum which, while statically speaking is the least likely combination of the two, is something we can't ignore either and is something can help prove both's innocence further down the line. That being said, the 3 remaining combinations (which are Townie/Townie, Scum/Townie, and Townie/Scum) point towards it being more likely for one of them to be scum than for both of them to be innocent, since a probability of 2/3 (both combinations of Townie/Scum) is higher than one of 1/3 (Townie/Townie).

The rest of this is pure speculation and assumptions on my part so don't believe anything of it blindly:


Im basing the rest of this on the above paragraph, the fact that the majority of votes is split between RC/Shinobi, and that throughout the whole game Catboi/RC and Spiffeh/Shinobi have had the same votes.
I strongly believe that RC is the bad guys here.
I can't say the same of Shinobi/Spiffeh, since both of them weren't as quick to NOT be suspicious of one another, unlike Catboi/RC who've been drawing suspicion of one another while sharing the same vote all game. Catboi explained that he wasn't suspicious of him because he thought they shared the same thought process, mostly because at that point RC was the only person who thought Shinobi was scum. Unless Catboi can give a more compelling reason than "the way he thinks led him to the same conclusion as me" for his lower level suspicion towards RC than most other people, then it's pretty damn obvious that RC's the scum. But even if he gave a good explanation for his trusting, that would just mean he trusts RC, i.e. not strong evidence of RC's innocence.

New stuff after seeing the news posts:


RC could be doing a very clutch play here by doubling down on the outrage of being accused instead of trying to defend himself with solid reason. While normally innocent people would be just as mad as him, we've known he isn't afraid of looking like a giant douche bag for a while now, which means that 1) he isn't acting on an emotional outburst right now and 2) he's entirely capable of thinking up a plan like this. What I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't use his outrage as proof of his innocence. If he replaces then I'd be more sure of his guilt, since if he were a townnie who truly doesn't enjoy the game he's playing, he would rather be lynched as a townie to screw over town players over just replacing himself with someone who could potentially aid the town players more than himself (which admittedly wouldnt be that hard if that were the case).
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:55 pm

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Good stuff, imo.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:22 pm

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One more thing I forgot to add because of my shitty editing. While I hope the other townies lynch RC, if he turns out to be innocent then not only would Shinobi need to get immediately lynched, but it would also clear Catboi of any scumminess (at least from my POV). That being said, since Shinobi would be cleared if RC ends up scum, then Catboi has to be the next suspect due to it being more likely for one of Shinobi/Catboi to be scum than both of theming innocent. I wouldn't auto-lynch Catboi though, since he could very well just be affected by the confirmation bias that RC gave him by agreeing with him. Oh and if I die after the first night then you guys need to be completely suspicious of everything Catboi says and lynch him as soon as he can't justify a vote with a solid argument. Something tells me he would just deflect with accusations rather than back his arguments up so that would be a pretty big tell.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:40 pm

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Kyubeh your logic is fucking horrendous stop wallposting.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:40 pm

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VOTE: RC

I'm not playing this. hammer me.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:47 pm

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Replace out then please.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:47 pm

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Literally, Shinobi, you are behind Huntress the worst scum player I have ever seen and I can't even fathom how you manage to get these backwards ass towns every time.

You're going to win this game, and you don't deserve it at all.

Replace out then please.


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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:49 pm

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Mod should force replace you anyway for playing against your WC :P :P :P

Joke's on you!
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:51 pm

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That assumes that I'm town.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:53 pm

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I mean, you've been talking like you know I'm town literally the whole game and yet you voted me, so wouldn't that make you equally guilty of playing against your win-con?

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