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Shinobi · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:52 am

In post 273, Scorpious wrote:gun to my head. I would lean scum on Cat..

So, gun to your head, you would call both cat/me scum?

Scorpious · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:56 am

In post 275, Shinobi wrote:
In post 273, Scorpious wrote:gun to my head. I would lean scum on Cat..

So, gun to your head, you would call both cat/me scum?

I don't need a gun to my head for you. I'm leaning scum on you..

Kyubey The Kid · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:11 am

In post 276, Scorpious wrote:
In post 275, Shinobi wrote:
In post 273, Scorpious wrote:gun to my head. I would lean scum on Cat..

So, gun to your head, you would call both cat/me scum?

I don't need a gun to my head for you. I'm leaning scum on you..

Naw he's been on the "fuck RC" camp for most of the game. If you think RC's scum, then don't you think it's more likely that he's town? There's the possibility that he's just throwing RC under the bus, but that would make more sense if he did it later in the game, instead of near the beginning.

Shinobi · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:13 am

In post 276, Scorpious wrote:
In post 275, Shinobi wrote:
In post 273, Scorpious wrote:gun to my head. I would lean scum on Cat..

So, gun to your head, you would call both cat/me scum?

I don't need a gun to my head for you. I'm leaning scum on you..

Normally I'm not one to point out interactions, but cat has been pushing my lynch pretty hard and RC/I are pretty diametrically opposed.
You think some variation of those three players makes up a team?

Scorpious · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:09 am

I try to keep my reads independent of each other in D1. Simple math dictates I'm going to most likely be wrong with my vote anyway. I dont like looking for teams on d1,just individuals. Linking is for after we get a flip.

like I said,gun to my head,I'd lean scum on cat,but I'll say it one more time. He is null for me. I can't figure him out,I have no problem stating that.

Kyubey The Kid · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:57 am

Ahh fair enough. That approach actually seems like an optimal way to play that I hadn't considered. The more linking done early, the more probabilities you're adding to the current hypothesis, which makes it less likely overall to be accurate.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:17 am

I think it's more likely that Catboi and RC are working together than RC being guilty and Catboi just naively believing in him without question.

Did you ever consider it's really, blindingly in fact, obvious that I'm town?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:17 am

Did you ever further consider that it's really, blindingly in fact, obvious that Catboi's town?

Shinobi · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:17 am

I don't really have an issue with it either.
Though I don't see why Jean is so town.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:19 am

Have you noticed Shinobi spends more time discussing reads with the people that he townreads?

You seem to be under the insane delusion that that makes him town, so I'm going to clarify this for you: spending more time engaged in undirected discussion with your supposed townreads than pushing reads, particularly when you have a supposed "major scumread" at L-2 who you want to get rid of is not townie at all and I don't know where you got the impression that aimless "talking through reads" is townie, when it's the easiest thing for scum to fake.

Shinobi · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:20 am

In post 284, RadiantCowbells wrote:Have you noticed Shinobi spends more time discussing reads with the people that he townreads?

You seem to be under the insane delusion that that makes him town, so I'm going to clarify this for you: spending more time engaged in undirected discussion with your supposed townreads than pushing reads, particularly when you have a supposed "major scumread" at L-2 who you want to get rid of is not townie at all and I don't know where you got the impression that aimless "talking through reads" is townie, when it's the easiest thing for scum to fake.

I've asked you like 50 times why you scumread me and you refuse to respond to me ever.
Don't even give me that bullshit.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:21 am

What value is that information if you believe I'm scum?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:21 am

Like let's be real here, you aren't talking to me you're making a show for others.

Shinobi · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:22 am

In post 286, RadiantCowbells wrote:What value is that information if you believe I'm scum?

Maybe I might change my read based on things that happen in the thread.
Who knows.

Play the game you clown.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:25 am

Like, what Shinobi is not telling you is that last time we were in a game together I replaced in, called him and both of the other scum within minutes of replacing in, then got mislynched by a pair of terrible masons and had my reads get complete ignored resulting in a town defeat.

That's the context for why Shinobi would be incredibly unlikely to simply dismiss me out of hand this game as town and he clearly has done so.

Maybe I might change my read based on things that happen in the thread.
Who knows.

See that's my point.

For him, this isn't about my read on him, this is about him trying to bribe me into letting him get off the wagon easy since he knows it's not going to happen.

He's trying to get an excuse to change HIS mind, not try to change my mind.

Oh, and

Play the game you clown.

No one says that to a scumread... ever.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:25 am

Like, Shinobi essentially very early on wrote this game off as me having a permanent scumread on him, and that makes the most sense when you consider I nailed him in the previous game and he figures I've nailed him here and won't let go.

Shinobi · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:28 am

In post 289, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, what Shinobi is not telling you is that last time we were in a game together I replaced in, called him and both of the other scum within minutes of replacing in, then got mislynched by a pair of terrible masons and had my reads get complete ignored resulting in a town defeat.

That's the context for why Shinobi would be incredibly unlikely to simply dismiss me out of hand this game as town and he clearly has done so.

Maybe I might change my read based on things that happen in the thread.
Who knows.

See that's my point.

For him, this isn't about my read on him, this is about him trying to bribe me into letting him get off the wagon easy since he knows it's not going to happen.

He's trying to get an excuse to change HIS mind, not try to change my mind.

Oh, and

Play the game you clown.

No one says that to a scumread... ever.

Except you're playing absolutely nothing like that game we were just in.
You came in, debunked a bad case on you, and immediately went down to business.
I've seen almost none of that this game. IIRC, all you've done is call me scum for no reason and act like a douche towards anyone who even has the gall to call you scum.

I know you're capable of playing so much better than you're playing right now. I can even see a world where you're town.
But if you're just going to be difficult and bad for no reason then you can just die.

Scorpious · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:29 am

RC,

who would you like to see lynched and why? still KTK?

Shinobi · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:29 am

In post 290, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, Shinobi essentially very early on wrote this game off as me having a permanent scumread on him, and that makes the most sense when you consider I nailed him in the previous game and he figures I've nailed him here and won't let go.

No I didn't.
I asked you why over and over.
You refused to explain it.
How would you expect me to deal with you if you wouldn't engage me ever?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:41 am

Actually no, my play in the two games is far more similar than you are proposing it is.

Firstly, I never engaged with you last game because I knew you were scum. I engaged with Thor specifically because I assumed he was a semi-decent town player and that my reasoning would get through to him. I later realized he was scum and then gave up on appealing to anyone because of the twit masons and selfvoted... much like I did in this game.

Or are you saying that you weren't hoping that I'd end up selfhammering, because it's pretty obvious to me that that's what you wanted.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:43 am

And again, given that I was actually in the game you would have had to know I remembered what happened, which makes it more of a deliberate misrep than anything which is clearly directed at others, not me.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:44 am

Yeah, I would absolutely love to see KTK lynched because terrible town is usually more dangerous to town than actual scum.

Shinobi · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:45 am

In post 294, RadiantCowbells wrote:Actually no, my play in the two games is far more similar than you are proposing it is.

Firstly, I never engaged with you last game because I knew you were scum. I engaged with Thor specifically because I assumed he was a semi-decent town player and that my reasoning would get through to him. I later realized he was scum and then gave up on appealing to anyone because of the twit masons and selfvoted... much like I did in this game.

Or are you saying that you weren't hoping that I'd end up selfhammering, because it's pretty obvious to me that that's what you wanted.

I don't really think so - your reasoning up to this point has been either borderline nonexistent or weak compared to what I've seen in the past. Whether that's actually confbias or scum is up for debate.

Who else is scum and why? What are your other reads and can you explain them?

Scorpious · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:47 am

In post 296, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, I would absolutely love to see KTK lynched because terrible town is usually more dangerous to town than actual scum.

I have said this exact thing.

Let's get RC off L-1 for a bit.. I think I agree enough with this to re-evaluate.. one of my scum reason was not being engaged.. slowly improving there,and the overall attitude is better

UNVOTE: RC

Shinobi · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:49 am

In post 298, Scorpious wrote:
In post 296, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, I would absolutely love to see KTK lynched because terrible town is usually more dangerous to town than actual scum.

I have said this exact thing.

Let's get RC off L-1 for a bit.. I think I agree enough with this to re-evaluate.. one of my scum reason was not being engaged.. slowly improving there,and the overall attitude is better

UNVOTE: RC

I agree.