Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

A vig that is also a cop is really fucking strong tho, and idk why scum have no counters to anything. We've had what, a traitor and a goon? Shaddowez better flip ninja godfather or something

[Wisdom]

well your kill wouldnt work on axxle

but still

[Elbirn]

True, I guess it could have produced a false innocent as well if I thought about the wizard thing.

Idk.

[The Betting Pool]

Your ability should be made clear to you if this isn't a bastard mod game so far as I know. Ask goodmorning for clarification.

In the meantime, no hammer please? I don't see any reason to rush this day's lynch before shaddowez and Vedith both talk more.

--PA

[goodmorning]

5: In Which Cimorene Receives a Formal Call from Her Companions in Dire Captivity

Votecount 3.2

shaddowez [L-1] - Wisdom, Elbirn

Elbirn [L-2] - shaddowez

Not Voting [2] - The Betting Pool, Vedith

With 5 alive, it takes

3

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-09-04 20:00:00).

[shaddowez]

shaddowez, what about that quote sticks out to you to indicate scum-Elbirn? What about the content of each of their posts, not just their interactions with flipped scum, one of whom might not even have known his teammates? What would you consider to be a strong argument for Vedith?

--PA

I'm honestly not sure what would constitute a strong argument for Vedith...if I could see one, I'd be more hesitant in my vote and putting more information out there. If anybody thinks that Vedith is more likely to be scum than Elbirn, I'm open to hear why.

As for the quote, it just pings me the wrong way. Fire isn't outright saying that Elbirn's play is town, but is making the case that scum wouldn't act the way I'm accusing Elbirn of acting.

A lot of his posts seem to be IIoA. His vig claim also makes absolutely no sense - he's been reading me as scum most of the game, and not so much on Wisdom. Why not shoot me instead of Wisdom?

Additionally, at this point I'm more inclined to believe Vedith's VT claim. 4 PR's out of 6 townies sounds a little heavy to me, even with the modifiers.

[Elbirn]

I asked goodmorning for clarification. Says she can't say.

Can we lynch shaddowez now?

[The Betting Pool]

Here's what I don't like about what's going on with you elbrin...

I try to imagine you being scum and it's too easy to see why your actions make sense. You don't kill shadow because you know there is a mislynch there. Your not a vig so you never intended to kill him. You really kill kyndy because reasons. You claim a vig kill on Wisdom because you want to out the doc. Once you know who the doc is you can kill them tonight knowing for sure your kill will go through. Even though they didn't protect Wisdom you can claim some BS story about your power working different then you thought. Now you've found out there is no doc! You kill us tonight, because you have to, and go 1v1 against Vedith tomorrow with Wisdom as the deciding vote.

Asking for us to lynch shadow without further discussion really comes across scummy right now since your story on your role power is currently under scrutiny...

-bunny

[The Betting Pool]

We will be operating under the assumption that Wisdom and ourselves are the only cleared town from this point forward. As much as it pains me to say... Wisdom is our only friend right now.

-bunny

[Elbirn]

I'm just going to say "I'm cimorene" until you bugger off.

The game is fucking over. Lynch fucking shaddowez. If he's not scum I will give every town player in this game a hand job, and then you can mislynch me tomorrow for the loss.

[The Betting Pool]

1. I didn't read the books so I don't know who that is.

2. I played a harry potter themed game where the scum had HARRY POTTER as their safe claim.

[Vedith]

Well I don't know the fluff to this game. However, I'm not sure why Elbirn would have shot Wisdom anyway. I even said that Wisdom's power would be more suggestible to town because having 2 Mafia and a traitor with a lynch immunity (And 2 VT for town, although only 1 confirmed VT at this pont) is too one sided.
@Elbrin - What exactly convinced you to think Wisdom as scum? What post(s)?
BP is pretty convenient but would make sense if he is a Wizard to Elbrin's role?
Going by what Shadow said I would assume not a Wizard, but can someone clarify that?

[Wisdom]

BP doesn't really make sense if Elbirn's vig is like he's describing it. It can only kill Wizards therefore only Firebringer and the last scum (Axxle was a traitorous dragon, not a wizard). Making the last scum BP is ridiculous because it would mean Elbirn's vig would only be able to kill a single person (Firebringer). Making a townie BP is also useless since the vig wouldn't be able to kill them anyway.

Therefore, simply put, Elbirn's vig and a BP don't both exist.

[Wisdom]

1. I didn't read the books so I don't know who that is.

cimorene is the main character

[Elbirn]

You know I was gonna make a response to all of this, engaging shaddowez and vedith and bp on their queries

And then I decided idgaf. Lynch me, feel like smacked asses when I flip, and then lynch shaddowez. I don't have the time to argue this and it really doesn't matter because we won, unless you lynch vedith tomorrow which for fucks sake don't do that. But yeah I'm just gonna sit here and pout until game end.

[Elbirn]

I'll say this about the wisdom vig shot

I thought shaddowez was too obvious. And yes, I knew he'd be a prime lynch target today, and thus a possibility I could set aside to eliminate a different suspect.

And I thought that if wisdom was scum, and the only other person expressing doubt was bp who I assumed was going to be the nk...that leaves me with vedith and gray (shaddowez being vigged), trying to convince them that wisdom is scum and I didn't think I'd have the skill or the wherewithal to make that argument. A lot of it was a feeling. I didn't think wisdom was acting the way I'd expect him to, I felt like his stance on firebringer yesterday was bad especially considering that bp was softing a guilty, I didn't like the connections he had with fb and axxle. Sorry I was wrong, but that's where my head was at.

Here's a rhetorical question, if I were scum faking a vig shot, why would I say I shot wisdom? Why not shaddowez, where there would be no eyebrows raised or questions asked considering popular opinion and my stated stance yeaterday?

[Wisdom]

gray wouldn't really need convincing

[Wisdom]

#still cool with a shadow hammer

[Wisdom]

you, axxle and shadoweh are my only solid townreads

everyone else is ugh

also im awesome at this game (you was fire)

[The Betting Pool]

#still cool with a shadow hammer

Same here. It's the necessary lynch for today.

[Vedith]

And then I decided idgaf. Lynch me, feel like smacked asses when I flip, and then lynch shaddowez. I don't have the time to argue this and it really doesn't matter because we won, unless you lynch vedith tomorrow which for fucks sake don't do that. But yeah I'm just gonna sit here and pout until game end.

The only person voting you is Shadow... What need is for this post?

[Wisdom]

#still cool with a shadow hammer

Same here. It's the necessary lynch for today.

then you could hammer

[Vedith]

VOTE: shaddowez

Lets just end it.

[The Betting Pool]

The idea of a mod not clarifying a role power is absurd. If shaddowez isn't the last scum I hope Elbirn gets scrutiny by people tomorrow.

--PA

[Wisdom]

if shaddowez is town BP it's pretty clear Elbirn is scum anyway