Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[notscience]

Godfather with 2 goons?

What exactly does godfather bring to the table in this setup?

That sounds really weak.

[RedCoyote]

The last game we played together was space invaders.

No, you were in that micro you linked... :/

What exactly does godfather bring to the table in this setup?

That sounds really weak.

Nothing. It's a negative utility. Am I the only player that saw Tammy's role and is using it to think critically about the setup?

[notscience]

Oh, it said first game.

No, I don't.

But I like to think I've made definite strides in improving my play.

And I did read her role, and I agree that it's like 2 goons, however I wasn't really sure what the last PR would be. I feel like all that a godfather serves to do is get itself caught in this setup and I'm not sure why the mod felt scum would need to be inhibited with a rolecop, a vig, a jk, and a miller that can be verified by the rolecop.

If anything should be weakened it should be town.

[RedCoyote]

Well, our first game was Rural Mafia. Anyway, I don't think the scum power is all that important, tbh. If they had a roleblocker, they would've stopped implosion. If they had a Doctor, they would've protected Nacho. I can't think of anything else that really helps them? Maybe a Strongman.

[fferyllt]

bulletproof.

[RedCoyote]

I can't believe you don't remember Rural Mafia given the ending. I don't remember all my games any more, but that was one I did enjoy despite the ending.

bulletproof.

Yeah, this, too. I could see this definitely.

[Empire]

DAY 4, VOTECOUNT 4

Wickedestjr (1)

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RedCoyote

Not Voting (5)

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Wickedestjr, fferyllt, notscience, implosion, pieguyn

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch! Deadline is on September 11th at 7:10 PM EST or in (expired on 2015-09-11 19:10:17).

Mod Notes - N/A

[notscience]

The thing I remember most about that game is Kuribo and all of his hijinks.

But I still say I've come a long way from where I was.

[pieguyn]

Besides, wish a scumteam of Nacho and Wicked, I think my entire strategy would've been considerably different. I sure as hell wouldn't have called Wicked town all game and half-assed did the same thing for Nacho.

walk me through this in more detail.

[pieguyn]

Anytime one of you or pie asks me why I'm town, even when you dress the question up all fancy, I will continue to point to my role claim and Tammy's flip.

the problem with this is, there are possibilities such as the scum team having a godfather and so inferring pregame that there might have been a rolecop in the game (which I think notsci? brought up earlier in the game), or you planning on claiming miller and it just being a huge coincidence that there happened to be a rolecop in the game, or so forth. so I don't give a shit about the miller claim

play > roles in cases like this. if you're town here, I need to see it in how you actually played the game.

[pieguyn]

Why would a wicked/redcoyote/nacho team play day 3 the way they did?

I don't think Wicked's play was 100% intentional. I think he was just half-assed distancing.

as for RC, I think it makes sense that both Nacho and Wicked would hard defend/ignore RC given the miller claim, and that he'd in turn attempt to hard push the Oversoul counterwagon hoping to ride off the claim. I also think the push on Vinkah-slot at the start of D3 was a coordinated play.

[fferyllt]

The way RC played it was bound to get attention after oversoul's flip though. Nacho's decision to change his claim was dangerous, especially to RC.

Who were they seeing as the player to go deep after all that?

[pieguyn]

probably Wicked. or they thought RC might have been able to argue his way out of it (which I don't think is actually *that* difficult to do).

I don't think Wicked anticipated the way people reacted to how he played it. I think he thought he'd get read as town for the Nacho push (which is how he's been acting).

[pieguyn]

or they thought RC might have been able to argue his way out of it (which I don't think is actually *that* difficult to do)

as testimony to this, the Team Mafia game where sthar had a huge shitstorm in response to the Mala wagon forming and people (myself included) read him as incompetent town bc there was no way he would do something that ridiculously dumb as scum

but either way I think Wicked is more likely.

[fferyllt]

I agree on Wicked. Not convinced on RC.

[notscience]

If it's not RC who is it fery?

[fferyllt]

I don't know. p sure I"ll have to figure it out though.

[notscience]

I'm really at a loss because I don't think nacho's readflip on you yesterday makes sense for both of you to be scum, as well as earlier when I felt he was mirroring your sentiments. I feel like Nacho was trying to stir the pot between me and pie just purely off of what you linked in his day 1 ISO expecting it to blow up.

So I don't really know.

[pieguyn]

I really think it's just RC. at the very least, I don't see either of you or notsci being scum here at all.

I don't think the way he went about the Oversoul lynch is particularly unreasonable like you seem to think it is.

[pieguyn]

it would be fucking hilarious if it turns out this was 10-2-1 and we're sitting around looking for a 3rd scum that doesn't even exist

I should probably go back and double check your Nacho stuff in more depth.

[fferyllt]

or they thought RC might have been able to argue his way out of it (which I don't think is actually *that* difficult to do)

as testimony to this, the Team Mafia game where sthar had a huge shitstorm in response to the Mala wagon forming and people (myself included) read him as incompetent town bc there was no way he would do something that ridiculously dumb as scum

but either way I think Wicked is more likely.

Who in this player list was going to be dismissed as incompetent town?

I agree Wicked is more likely.

[pieguyn]

by "incompetent" I don't mean in general, I just mean they'd be dismissed as being entirely wrong about it but believing what they're saying regardless

[notscience]

Why do you think, if implo woudl be a 3p, he would only kill two nights?

[pieguyn]

I've seen people who fake x-shot vig as SK before (I think I remember DBK doing it in a mini normal a while back). it's not something I'd ever do and I don't consider it optimal but it's not outright impossible.

[notscience]

Why would scum-nacho who would basically know the 3p at that point in time basically throw his life away to him?