Open 608: Jungle Republic - A jungle is conquered(game over)

[Wanderer-nl]

I don't think it's inactivity, I think scum didn't want us to have a flip. We're basically redoing Day 1 now.. I'm going to refresh my memory.

[Wanderer-nl]

Wow, we're getting quite a wagon building for a kinda silly reason: I a) listed people I knew and b) copied Mario with his list of three. I'd like it more if Klick's reason for town-reading DV wasn't so weak.
@haya, I liked wanderer's question because I suck at sarcasm/jokes in rvs. As is kinda borne out by klick's wagon on us.

-b

Ok what bugs me about this is that Bella is pointing fingers here (silly wagon, weak reason) but then she does nothing with it. If the wagon was really silly, question the players on it. If you think Klick's reason for townreading Deas, question him about it. You did neither.
In 201 Bella still calls that wagon dumb while I'd expect if Bella was town she'd do more to understand that quickwagon.

VOTE: Savant

I don't like how Pimhel didn't get a chance to post his promised cases anymore, but it's not like he didn't do anything at all. I don't want to vote there yet.

[mykonian]

well then. Nothing changed.

vote savant

[DeasVail]

The other way around is the kind of scum she is. It's confident (hard to lynch) talking (hard to lynch) and reasonable (also hard to lynch). Not that it has a lot to do with actual scumhunting, motivation, or attitude towards the game which certainly irk me (and apparently others too, yay). Again, I'm happy to take my opportunities there.

If she's scum here then I can't say I agree with her being that hard to lynch. Is your theory that she's having an off scumgame or what?

Vote: Idiot Savant

[Firebringer]

I don't think it's inactivity, I think scum didn't want us to have a flip. We're basically redoing Day 1 now.. I'm going to refresh my memory.

Ummm....Why?

How would no flip be more beneficial to them then no kill?
>.>
Like I get, we are at same position we were yesterday, but we actually should have MORE info.

Why?

Seer checked a player and they know if they are Werewolf/Not Werewolf now.

So it doesn't make sense no kill from actual werewolf standpoint IMO.

I am willing to pressure this for now too:
VOTE: Idiot Savant

I don't really want to lynch a player that is going to be replaced anyways, maybe the replacement...

[mykonian]

If she's scum here then I can't say I agree with her being that hard to lynch. Is your theory that she's having an off scumgame or what?

town is rather receptive of the case somehow.

Idk, it's a playstyle that tends to be hard to lynch. I don't have much experience with her so that's just on this game. Can't really judge on her having a good game or not.

[Vedith]

If there is a team of 2 WW, then why would they not kill due to being inactive? Unless you expect that neither were active.
As the partner, not killing would just give suspicion on PimHel for being inactive (like it did)

I would think that the WW were not suspected Day 1 or in much line of fire leaving them able to not kill and add confusion. Idiot Savant was a high focus and therefore a good option for the Seer (along with a couple others).

As Wanderer said, this is basically day 1 and I don't think that WW would risk this if they were under the spot light.

[Firebringer]

If there is a team of 2 WW, then why would they not kill due to being inactive? Unless you expect that neither were active.
As the partner, not killing would just give suspicion on PimHel for being inactive (like it did)

I would think that the WW were not suspected Day 1 or in much line of fire leaving them able to not kill and add confusion. Idiot Savant was a high focus and therefore a good option for the Seer (along with a couple others).

As Wanderer said, this is basically day 1 and I don't think that WW would risk this if they were under the spot light.

How is adding confusion more useful than potentially killing the Seer?

Like I get the arguments for not-killing. They just don't seem to work when you look at the large picture. Its like bad WIFOM with no real practical purpose.

Will their kill show association? Possibly, possibly not.

The Seer right now has 1 less player as a suspect for Werewolf. THAT IS HELPFUL TO US.

Unless of course he did hit Werewolf.

[Professor Bozo]

so bella took care of dya one so now i can take care of day 2

Is Bella joining us today? Because I have questions for your slot and I want Bella here because you did fucking nothing yesterday.

you right i did jack shit yesterday here cus i wanted bella to have day one. she might come in but it will be mostly me today.

so you can direct everything towards me

[mykonian]

you right i did jack shit yesterday here cus i wanted bella to have day one. she might come in but it will be mostly me today.

so you can direct everything towards me

Not interested in this.

[Wanderer-nl]

Well ika, you can start by commenting on the events of Day 1. If you think you can answer for Bella, explain to me why my scumread on your slot is wrong. In detail.

I'll get to the rest later tonight.

[hayatoBL]

you right i did jack shit yesterday here cus i wanted bella to have day one. she might come in but it will be mostly me today.

so you can direct everything towards me

tbh, if anyone should be going solo bella would be better. I have nothing against you personally, but you make too little content (from the last game) and are potentially hard to read, making you a reasonable policy lynch for 'intentionally making yourself hard to read'. I strongly suggest bella *also* comes in and give her thoughts.

I think inactivity would be a reasonable explanation for this no kill. Another one is, they didn't bold the kills or didn't send the kill-PM if that was required. The latter happend in another game I played in. Two reasonable explanation with no reason to believe one is more likely than the other.

What's your next move Not_Mafia?

[ZZZX]

Looking for a replacement for Jazz.

[mykonian]

tbh, if anyone should be going solo bella would be better. I have nothing against you personally, but you make too little content (from the last game) and are potentially hard to read, making you a reasonable policy lynch for 'intentionally making yourself hard to read'. I strongly suggest bella *also* comes in and give her thoughts.

connect the dots, man. You aren't half as stupid as you pretend to be here.


Day 1 goes disastrous for hydra. Day two we suddenly get a switch of players.

I mean, I could go on a rant here about hydrae and how they have nothing to do with mafia, because this would be an example. Mafia in it's basis is a study on group dynamics. This is using outside influences (the concept of having two people on one account) as a tool to force that group process in your favor. Showing a new face in the hope for a fresh start or something.

[ZZZX]

It appears we are all out of Jazzmyn... And instead an Anti-Hero appears!

Antihero replaces Jazzmyn

[Wanderer-nl]

Anti! Help me lynch Savant?

[Wanderer-nl]

If there is a team of 2 WW, then why would they not kill due to being inactive? Unless you expect that neither were active.
As the partner, not killing would just give suspicion on PimHel for being inactive (like it did)

I would think that the WW were not suspected Day 1 or in much line of fire leaving them able to not kill and add confusion. Idiot Savant was a high focus and therefore a good option for the Seer (along with a couple others).

As Wanderer said, this is basically day 1 and I don't think that WW would risk this if they were under the spot light.

How is adding confusion more useful than potentially killing the Seer?

Like I get the arguments for not-killing. They just don't seem to work when you look at the large picture. Its like bad WIFOM with no real practical purpose.

Will their kill show association? Possibly, possibly not.

The Seer right now has 1 less player as a suspect for Werewolf. THAT IS HELPFUL TO US.

Unless of course he did hit Werewolf.

BUT IT ISN'T HELPFUL FOR US IF THE SEER COMES OUT WITH INFORMATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'LL GET KILLED!
Stop it right now. We aren't going to know and all this speculation is useless. Lets scumhunt and not rely on a role that can only find ww while we also have to find the goddamn mafia.

[Professor Bozo]

Well ika, you can start by commenting on the events of Day 1. If you think you can answer for Bella, explain to me why my scumread on your slot is wrong. In detail.

I'll get to the rest later tonight.

you should realize i dont care for details. i care for action. your wrong cus i know we are town. what would you like me to answer for bella?

you right i did jack shit yesterday here cus i wanted bella to have day one. she might come in but it will be mostly me today.

so you can direct everything towards me

tbh, if anyone should be going solo bella would be better. I have nothing against you personally, but you make too little content (from the last game) and are potentially hard to read, making you a reasonable policy lynch for 'intentionally making yourself hard to read'. I strongly suggest bella *also* comes in and give her thoughts.

I think inactivity would be a reasonable explanation for this no kill. Another one is, they didn't bold the kills or didn't send the kill-PM if that was required. The latter happend in another game I played in. Two reasonable explanation with no reason to believe one is more likely than the other.

What's your next move Not_Mafia?

hahahahahahaha your funny. you shoudl realize that bella would replace out ebfore i do.

fun fact: i raely repalce out and if i do its cus of rl reasons. any time im in hydra and a repalce out happens its cus of the parnter. i dont mind it perosnally but just a tibit for ya

[Antihero]

Anti! Help me lynch Savant?

[initiating ika reading sequence]
[clicks on "activity overview"]
[sees.............20 posts over 14 pages]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Antihero]

belllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ikaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

im slowly descending into drunken madness and i need to go eat something.

help

me.

[shaddowez]

UNVOTE:

I was a bit hasty earlier in voting for the MIA player, though if they did decide to no kill I'm still extremely confused. I agree with FB's points in 329.

IS got up to L-2 yesterDay before the Vedith counterwagon started up strong. Pair that with myk's 338, and the fact that there was little engagement and vague non-committal reads all day, I'm willing to join that wagon today.

VOTE: IS

If I'm counting correctly, that brings the wagon to L-2 again. Let's see what happens this time.

[shaddowez]

@Mod

- will be V/LA until 9/7 for the holiday weekend.

[Firebringer]

Can we get a VC?

I think thats L-2 for Idiot Savant at the moment.

[Not_Mafia]

If there is a team of 2 WW, then why would they not kill due to being inactive? Unless you expect that neither were active.
As the partner, not killing would just give suspicion on PimHel for being inactive (like it did)

I would think that the WW were not suspected Day 1 or in much line of fire leaving them able to not kill and add confusion. Idiot Savant was a high focus and therefore a good option for the Seer (along with a couple others).

As Wanderer said, this is basically day 1 and I don't think that WW would risk this if they were under the spot light.

How is adding confusion more useful than potentially killing the Seer?

Like I get the arguments for not-killing. They just don't seem to work when you look at the large picture. Its like bad WIFOM with no real practical purpose.

Will their kill show association? Possibly, possibly not.

The Seer right now has 1 less player as a suspect for Werewolf. THAT IS HELPFUL TO US.

Unless of course he did hit Werewolf.

BUT IT ISN'T HELPFUL FOR US IF THE SEER COMES OUT WITH INFORMATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'LL GET KILLED!
Stop it right now. We aren't going to know and all this speculation is useless. Lets scumhunt and not rely on a role that can only find ww while we also have to find the goddamn mafia.

^ Scum

[Vedith]

The wagon on IS keeps forming too easily if you ask me.