FF7 Mafia (Game Over)

[Saint]

nah nvm not gonna argue this

[pirate mollie]

or:

5) Mollie was the NK target, and I protected her?

that accounts for n1 but according to you your slot submitted no na on n3

[Saint]

cool go ahead and lynch me these questions can wait

[Cerberus v666]

O.o whar a bizarre reaction . Have any thoughts on anyone you'd like to share Saint?

[Kaboose]

nah nvm not gonna argue this

cool go ahead and lynch me these questions can wait

Wha?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Radja, you are the only protective role known besides mollie. On the night mollie jailkept sainf, there was a missing nightkill. There are four possible reasons for this.

1) Saint was the NK target, and mollie saved him.
2) Saint sent in the nk, and mollie stopped him.
3) Scum skipped killing that night for some reason.
4) Someone else used another protective or blocking role to stop the kill.

3 is very unlikely, 4 is pure speculation because we have no reason to believe that is what happened.

1/2 are most likely, and Saint is a scummy slot who I, at least, can't see a reason for scum shooting at (barring a cross kill attempt), so it seems most likely that he wasn't saved, but was instead stopped.

Does that all make sense radja?

Mastin is adamant this is Xeno again. That featured odd and even night kills for the two scum teams iirc. Mollie's jk is circumstantial. It lends as much guilt to Saint as to Antagonist and nobody has of yet explained the thought process in differentiating the two.

[Cerberus v666]

Radja, you are the only protective role known besides mollie. On the night mollie jailkept sainf, there was a missing nightkill. There are four possible reasons for this.

1) Saint was the NK target, and mollie saved him.
2) Saint sent in the nk, and mollie stopped him.
3) Scum skipped killing that night for some reason.
4) Someone else used another protective or blocking role to stop the kill.

3 is very unlikely, 4 is pure speculation because we have no reason to believe that is what happened.

1/2 are most likely, and Saint is a scummy slot who I, at least, can't see a reason for scum shooting at (barring a cross kill attempt), so it seems most likely that he wasn't saved, but was instead stopped.

Does that all make sense radja?

Mastin is adamant this is Xeno again. That featured odd and even night kills for the two scum teams iirc. Mollie's jk is circumstantial. It lends as much guilt to Saint as to Antagonist and nobody has of yet explained the thought process in differentiating the two.

I've explained the differences.

1) the source. Mollie is a much stronger town read than you, and isn't part of the PoE pool, so the concern that this is a gambit is much weaker for her.
2)the guilty. Saint is far scummier than Mastin, AND because of that, the mechanics of jailkeeping make it highly unlikely that the most likely alternative to scum Saint, that he was targeted by a nk, is the actual situation. Contrast this to Mastin, who is equally likely to be town visiting someone scum happened to kill, as actual scum performing the kill.

[mastin2]

You've already "laid" out your "trump" card. You just haven't backed it up with any facts.

I suppose this is technically true. I've laid my trump card down: it is that I am conftown. I've laid the foundations for it, too. But said trump card is, so to speak, "face down": what it actually is remains unrevealed, thus the facts backing it up are obscured from plain sight (in spite of existing if you know where to look).

But but mastin you're already confirmed town, why would you need a Meteor flip to prove you're town?

I'm confirmed town by something I can reveal at any time.

I become town by default with a Meteor flip that I've pushed in a town manner, rendering the thing which makes me conftown redundant.

But you have the tracker claiming some special role in which he is 100% certain. So one of the two are lying.

Yeah, that's what the scum want the town to think. Lynch one, they flip town, lynch the other...they flip town. Not happening.

(Btw, in case it's not obvious: ProHawk's posting makes HIM another possible Saint buddy candidate. If Antagonist isn't, ProHawk is. (Heck, it's possible both are, if there's three scum plus the traitor, but I find that unlikely given that they already have considerable strength role-wise in comparison to Shinra.)

Also- if what you're saying is true about being town you may want to look at the interactions with your wagon here much like I would if I were running the gambit I'm known for a bit.

The hell do you

think

I've been doing?!?

More or less, they say: Cerb-scum, Antagonist-scum, Saint-scum, ProHawk-possibly-but-not-definitely-scum, and there in the outliers I have the possibly-but-very-unlikely-scum candidate of hiplop. (Thus, him as the target I'm declaring.)

[mastin2]

Mastin is adamant this is Xeno again. That featured odd and even night kills for the two scum teams iirc.

Wrong Xeno.

I'm talking about something else.

[ProHawk]

Except that scum arent priviledged to that info this game, but keep painting me in a bad light.

[mastin2]

Except that scum arent priviledged to that info this game.

Aren't they?

Keep in mind, not being their faction is, for all intensive purposes, the same thing as being town as far as they're concerned...and depending on their inside info, they may actually

know

it to be town-town rather than Shinra-town. So they know at least one lynch that's not theirs, if it's Shinra-town. If said Shinra were telling the truth (i.e., Jaqen flipped something along the lines of "Shinra tracker" even though that's not what he's going to flip), still two lynches. So town-town, two lynches. Shinra-town, probably still two lynches albeit slightly less of a chance of that.

And given that they know via the sensor result that I'm unlikely to be Shinra, backed up by my stance on the ZX lynch, they know that I'm town as a result.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Radja, you are the only protective role known besides mollie. On the night mollie jailkept sainf, there was a missing nightkill. There are four possible reasons for this.

1) Saint was the NK target, and mollie saved him.
2) Saint sent in the nk, and mollie stopped him.
3) Scum skipped killing that night for some reason.
4) Someone else used another protective or blocking role to stop the kill.

3 is very unlikely, 4 is pure speculation because we have no reason to believe that is what happened.

1/2 are most likely, and Saint is a scummy slot who I, at least, can't see a reason for scum shooting at (barring a cross kill attempt), so it seems most likely that he wasn't saved, but was instead stopped.

Does that all make sense radja?

Mastin is adamant this is Xeno again. That featured odd and even night kills for the two scum teams iirc. Mollie's jk is circumstantial. It lends as much guilt to Saint as to Antagonist and nobody has of yet explained the thought process in differentiating the two.

I've explained the differences.

1) the source. Mollie is a much stronger town read than you, and isn't part of the PoE pool, so the concern that this is a gambit is much weaker for her.
2)the guilty. Saint is far scummier than Mastin, AND because of that, the mechanics of jailkeeping make it highly unlikely that the most likely alternative to scum Saint, that he was targeted by a nk, is the actual situation. Contrast this to Mastin, who is equally likely to be town visiting someone scum happened to kill, as actual scum performing the kill.

I didn't ask the difference between saint and Mastin though dud I?

[ProHawk]

You keep saying stuff Mastin but you're just blowing smoke lassy. You aren't conf town, you aren't even close to town. All you have is a backing of loyal followers so you know you won't get lynched. Put up. You ACTUALLY being conf town would help me get a better picture of stuff

[Radja]

Okay, good point. I thought we were talking about N1.
I can hammer that when everybody is ready.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, touche, sorry Jaqen. Antagonist night had a doc save on mollie the same night, so there's another known explanation for the missing nk. It's not huge, but it is a difference.

[mastin2]

You keep saying stuff Mastin but you're just blowing smoke lassy.

You say those like they're mutually exclusive.

You aren't conf town, you aren't even close to town. You ACTUALLY being conf town would help me get a better picture of stuff

Ah, but I am.

The meta stuff is why I'm town by conventional methods. Which a Meteor flip will help reinforce.

[borkjerfkin]

Seiko x Naomi, Xtoxm were prodded.

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: Saint

Hammer away

[ProHawk]

I hate this game

[Seiko x Naomi]

I still don't understand why we are flat out ignoring a guilty because someone's proclaiming themselves conftown without actually backing it up.

[pirate mollie]

I still don't understand why we are flat out ignoring a guilty because someone's proclaiming themselves conftown without actually backing it up.

it is nota guilty, it is a tracker claim in which we can't even wrangle out of jaqen if he even traced mastina to a dead body or not.

[Seiko x Naomi]

Jaqen, elaborate.

[ProHawk]

Mollie, he said it was a 100% guilty stop being obtuse

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, he said it was a 100% guilty stop being obtuse

a tracker claim is not 100%

[ProHawk]

He said he is more than a normal tracker, not to mention the second cop result hasn't been accounted for. I hope mastin gets cross killed but it's probably unlikely.