Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[Empire]

DAY 4, VOTECOUNT 7

No Lynch (1)

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implosion

pieguyn (1)

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RedCoyote

Not Voting (4)

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Wickedestjr, fferyllt, notscience, pieguyn

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch! Deadline is on September 11th at 7:10 PM EST or in (expired on 2015-09-11 19:10:17).

Mod Notes - N/A

[implosion]

I think I'll eat a bullet but I want the game in odds so that someone will die the next night.

Honestly I'm a little bit checked out too because of real life. If I am in a position where I have to actually do stuff then I'm willing to put in the effort but going back to college means a lot more stuff going on in RL than before. There's a reason that I stopped playing on MS during school for the most part.

[implosion]

(to clarify, game in odds so that someone *of interest* will die the next night so that there's useful information going into 3p lylo if we get there)

[RedCoyote]

Oh, okay. I get what you are saying. Yeah, I can go with that.

UNVOTE: pieguyn; VOTE: No Lynch

I will miss you, buddy. Say hi to my friends in the DT. Give Nacho a kick in the ass or something...

[notscience]

VOTE: RC

The main reason is because while yes, I think both are scum, I have this sinking feeling in my stomach RC will weasel his way out of a lynch later whereas wicked won't.

[pieguyn]

VOTE: RC

The main reason is because while yes, I think both are scum, I have this sinking feeling in my stomach RC will weasel his way out of a lynch later whereas wicked won't.

I usually don't agree with "lynch X first bc they're the bigger threat as scum".

I actually think I do in this scenario.

[notscience]

implosion, we need you to hammer.

I know you're townreading him.

Right now, we have the three of us linked up.

I'm town, and if you want someone to explain why I am you can ask pretty much everyone.

pie is town because of the emotion she showed in that back and forth with me, and the tunneling here is more town-pie whereas scum-pie doesn't commit that hard to scumreads.

The reason I find fery town is that it feels like Nacho was trying to move around her- I noted the mirroring earlier, Then, and I know "effort isnt alignment indicative" her play today, her going over every single person in thsi game with a fine tooth comb, when she could easily coast with me and pie townreading her, shows paranoid town worried of fucking it up in lylo. What's scum ffery have to gain by reading through the game like this?

[notscience]

I also don't think scum-ffery does what she did on day 2- when she was constantly waiting for nacho to make the first move. And then, add in her trying to get nacho to do anything other htan talk to wicked yesterday, etc. Overall I think the chances are high she is town.

[RedCoyote]

Do it, implosion. I don't really want to play anymore. ns and pie deserve it.

[notscience]

Since when are you scumreading me?

[Wickedestjr]

Sorry guys. Really distracted by RL right now (hence the 2 am posting)

I should hopefully post tomorrow.

[RedCoyote]

I didn't say anything about scumreading you. You deserve what you want. I really don't want to fight it anymore.

[fferyllt]

2 am posting is a thing. I'll be coherent sometime tomorrow.

[RedCoyote]

VOTE: RC

The main reason is because while yes, I think both are scum, I have this sinking feeling in my stomach RC will weasel his way out of a lynch later whereas wicked won't.

I usually don't agree with "lynch X first bc they're the bigger threat as scum".

I actually think I do in this scenario.

Lol, yeah, I'll bet you do.

[implosion]

implosion, we need you to hammer.

I know you're townreading him.

Right now, we have the three of us linked up.

I'm town, and if you want someone to explain why I am you can ask pretty much everyone.

pie is town because of the emotion she showed in that back and forth with me, and the tunneling here is more town-pie whereas scum-pie doesn't commit that hard to scumreads.

The reason I find fery town is that it feels like Nacho was trying to move around her- I noted the mirroring earlier, Then, and I know "effort isnt alignment indicative" her play today, her going over every single person in thsi game with a fine tooth comb, when she could easily coast with me and pie townreading her, shows paranoid town worried of fucking it up in lylo. What's scum ffery have to gain by reading through the game like this?

So, you're basically saying I have no say in this game anymore.

Which I understand.

But even if I thought RC was scum I'd still prefer a NL today. Given that you three have formed what seems to be a rock-solid coalition it's not like my being alive is meaningful apart from keeping the game in evens. In the event that any of you do wind up having any desire to rethink things at 3p it's better that it'd be 3p than 4p.

[notscience]

I, in all honesty, expect you're going to live.

This is probably my ego talking, but me/pie are the least likely to reevaluate our stances, and I'm the one everyone is townreading.

[implosion]

If I live then someone who could be scum dies.

I see no problem with that at all.

[notscience]

Given how you feel about RC, that could be what scum are banking on.

Which I understand your position, but as far as I can tell you haven't been scumreading me in a /long/ time.

[notscience]

As far as I can tell, noone's really scumreading you. Maybe light paranoia regarding a possible serial killer, but still.

There's no point in nolynching here.

[notscience]

Reevaluating here fucks town over.

Do, don't think.

[notscience]

Well yes think but dont like

"Oh I need to make sure people who are here later are ready to reevaluate and etc" and end up in lylo with ffery and RC because you're the one who is constantly willing to reevaluate

[implosion]

If your reason for lynching today is that we shouldn't re-evaluate because you're confident that you're right now then I have no idea why you think I should just blindly trust your reads over my reads other than a pragmatic argument.

I see nothing in what you're saying that mitigates the benefits of no-lynching other than you very strongly believing your personal reads right now and just trying to shape the gamestate into something where those reads in particular are the ones that will determine who is lynched, and that isn't exactly comforting to me.

[Wickedestjr]

Catching up...

Why do I think RC was the centerfold of Oversoul getting lynched? How vehemently he pushed it. How he started to discredit when pie and I linked up to vote Nacho.

He vehemently pushed it, but that doesn't mean he's the reason it worked. IIRC, he made one/two arguments for Vinkah/OS scum early on and then just called for votes on him. It's quite possible I'm misremembering what he contributed yesterday, but I think the pressure shifted to Oversoul long after RC made his case.

Well I will tell you flat out I won't go picking an argument with a friend like that for no reason as scum, let alone my buddy. You're welcome to check, but I highly doubt you'll find one. Scumgames of mine- Disney Upick, Survivor Mafia, Plants vs Zombies, Nightingale's Tale, Whatever bulge's large normal was, and you can find more in my ego search.

As town, have you ever ignored a friend, then scum read them with absolute certainty, and then changed your mind to start working with them?

And we have ffery saying that pie not being able ot fake that emotion was the centerfold of Nacho's towncase on her another game, so what do you think?

This doesn't mean anything to me. If she's scum, I think she's fully capable of faking emotion - I didn't see anything that doesn't look fake-able. And I don't care what Nacho said about her in another game - if he made a towncase on her for that reason, then that seems like a perfectly good reason for pie to try and exploit it.

And let's look at how long it took her to snap out and realize the emotion and compare it to Bins's Mini normal- she could tell right as she got in the thread what was happening and yanked the brake. Here, she was so caught up in her tunnel she had to come back and see it.

I think pie is scum though, so her realization that you're town doesn't do anything to make me think the same.

[Wickedestjr]

Can I ask you a question Wicked?

Literally noone thinks you're town

If you get lynched today it's game over

But you are hardly fighting it and just trying to nitpick my stance on RC and pie.

Why?

This is an awful question. You're BSing or conf-biasing with this.

The case against me is literally POE. What in the world am I supposed to do about that? I am a huge fan of POE (I've been using it almost all game) so I can't argue with the tool, even though I know it's leading to the wrong conclusion. You have brought up a few small points against me today and I've explained why they are all wrong. Pie said my interactions with Nacho looked like bussing and I explained why her argument was bad. I have also tried convincing people that you/Pie make sense as scum instead of me, so please tell me what more I should be doing right now. I'm doing all that I can and I have defended against everything.

Maybe I could spam angry caps-lock posts and call everyone stupid, but that's unhealthy, unhelpful, and just not my style (plus I don't think anyone here is stupid). Maybe you should try meta'ing me. It's clear that you haven't.

I nitpicked your pie stance because I think you're scum with her, so of course I'm not going to ignore it. I questioned your RC stance, because while I think you're scum, I don't

know

that you're scum, and I'm trying to strengthen that read by figuring out if you seriously believe in your RC-comment.

[fferyllt]

Implosion, if we no-lynch and you are the NK who should be lynched tomorrow? If you're alive who should be lynched tomorrow?