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Post Post #4450 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:22 am

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Votecount 6.2


[4] mastin2 (ProHawk, Xtoxm, hiplop, The Antagonist)
[1] The Antagonist (mastin2)

[4] Not Voting (Cerberus v666, pirate mollie, Radja, Seiko x Naomi)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

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Post Post #4451 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:40 am

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In post 4445, The Antagonist wrote:
In post 4369, Radja wrote:Why am I alive exactly?

I protected Antagonist. I will read up later

...

you protected a claimed vt over a claimed tracker...???????????????????????????????????


I asked for claims when I replaced in and nobody told me you claimed VT.
There was a lot of crap going on about Jaqen's claim so I don't know what was going on with that either.
I also assumed I was going to die.

So I'm scum doctor then?
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Post Post #4452 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:46 am

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I can't find Jaqen's tracking result. Can anyone help me out here...
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Post Post #4453 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:54 am

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anti scum!mastina just doesn't make sense to me. unless the redirector (if we have 1) is town. I just don't see scum!mastina nking kaboose.

also you need to tell ika to get a grip. I am not losing just because ika decides to have a meltdown and gets retarded at endgame.
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Post Post #4454 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:55 am

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In post 4447, The Antagonist wrote:and there's...... a claimed doc who claims to protect vt's over claimed trackers and jailkeeper

don't forget the fact that they claimed to protect Cephrir the night he died when the other scum team didn't have a strongman (which I still don't have any good explanation for)

vote: Radja
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Post Post #4455 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:56 am

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also going to admit I misread one of mastin's posts re me and tbh I agree it doesn't make sense she'd kill Kaboose if she was scum here.

soooo IDK what to do. more when I get home
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Post Post #4456 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:57 am

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In post 4452, Radja wrote:I can't find Jaqen's tracking result. Can anyone help me out here...


n1 the antagoist
n2 me
n3 mastina

and I forget who he targeted n4
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Post Post #4457 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:58 pm

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In post 4439, hiplop wrote:VOTE: mastin
I really don't see how you aren't scum. Early scum read + Jaqen result + you defending kaboose so hard
No fucking shit
I was defending Kaboose so hard; HE HAD A FUCKING INNOCENT RESULT ON ME.

That you are disregarding all of this is EXACTLY why I asked for
you
to be investigated by him.

And it's not like I was blindly accepting that he couldn't be scum, either--I had a backup plan. I specifically asked Jaqen, in a roundabout way, to track Kaboose,
just in case
Kaboose was scum pulling a fast one!

Jaqen's result, no matter how you fucking slice it, contradicts with Kaboose's result. Kaboose's result, no matter how much you try to bend, twist, and grind things, was clearly not a fucking fake, and therefore existed and was real. And therefore, regardless of which way you think it went,
one of them was redirected
, and therefore, a redirector is in play, and therefore, you have to
judge me by my play
.

And me defending Kaboose? Sure, that'd be a valid scumtell if I was being accused of Shinra...but by Xtoxm's result, that is literally impossible, and thus? As a consequence? Literally the only fucking thing I could be is Meteor, and
all the evidence except Jaqen's result says I'm not
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Post Post #4458 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:00 pm

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In post 4444, The Antagonist wrote:
In post 4190, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
In post 4178, hiplop wrote:Multiball game, lots of one faction is dead the other(s) seemingly in tact

XtoxM is a sensor and there is essentially 1/3 scum (AT LEAST) in the pool of Jaqen/Kaboose/Cerberus. They are the people who were off the wagon of ZZZX.

Jaqen claimed tracker and said mastin was likely guilty but the claim was sorta weird and the idea now is that jaqens results were somehow compromised? You should probably read that interaction for yourself. Lots of complex variables there.

uhm, Mastin says he knows kaboose is town (so if you believe mastin its 50/50 at least with jaqen/cerb being scum)

what else should I say?


Misrep. I said Mastin is inequitably, 100% guilty.

...ok... assuming he mean "unequivocally"...
what...?

...

what the hell are we doing?

VOTE: mastin2
The same fucking players.
THE.
SAME.
FUCKING.
PLAYERS.

Keep saying this.

While ignoring the
equally valid
Kaboose result that is on the other side.
Why?

Because it's fucking convenient for them to do so.
That's why.
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Post Post #4459 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:01 pm

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In post 4450, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] mastin2 (ProHawk, Xtoxm, hiplop, The Antagonist)
[1] The Antagonist (mastin2)
[4] Not Voting (Cerberus v666, pirate mollie, Radja, Seiko x Naomi)
Like I can maybe.
MAYUBE.

See Seiko as scum off the wagon, for whatever reason.
Maybe.

But really.

In all probability.

You have your fucking Meteors right there on my wagon.
Ilekyy without Xtixm in the mix, focusing on the other three.
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Post Post #4460 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:03 pm

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In post 4454, Seiko x Naomi wrote:
In post 4447, The Antagonist wrote:and there's...... a claimed doc who claims to protect vt's over claimed trackers and jailkeeper
don't forget the fact that they claimed to protect Cephrir the night he died when the other scum team didn't have a strongman (which I still don't have any good explanation for)
vote: Radja
This is wrong, btw.

GIF claimed that, yes.
Radja took it back and said there was no action submitted N3.
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Post Post #4461 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:15 pm

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Soooooooo, readslist:

pirate mollie <--I refuse. REFUSE. Absolutely refuse. To believe for so much as ONE second. That mollie is ever scum this game.

Xtoxm <--I absolutely REFUSE to believe in a scum sensor here, or that it was a fakeclaim. Plus, Aeris was obvtown even if Xtoxm isn't.
Radja <--While his play's nothing particularly special and the actions are a bit questionable, not to mention the survival of a doctor, I know there's a redirector in the game, which'd nullify the doc protect, making it useless. Therefore, I will not let Radja get mislynched this game. I fully believe the doctor claim, and do not want to see him mislynched.

Cerberus v666 <--While there's nothing particularly town about him, there's also nothing that says 'scum' anymore. I still maintain that if he's scum, Shinra's more likely, but since we've had three Shinra flips, it's very likely he's town.

Seiko x Naomi <--I still maintain that objectively, they've got some of the worst possible interactions throughout the whole game, in that a lot of stuff
objectively
says they're suspicious. They could be Meteor off the wagon, because they've been highly "middle-of-the-road", not committing to it.
That being said
, I believe they're town right now, because it does look like they're legitimately trying to figure out the game, and they're bringing some decent points to the table, too.


hiplop <--Remember when Jaqen said that scum would be taking the middle-road? He was referring to people like hiplop. I can demonstrate hiplop's heavy fencesitting attitude, and why Jaqen thought that'd come from scum.
That being said
, he's up here at third because while I think he could be scum, there's also been many flashes of what look to me like his towngame.

The Antagonist <--Everything their entire game has been scum to me. I very accurately predicted that they'd put in a strong earlygame effort and then fade into virtual nonexistence, barely providing content at all and pushing incredibly pro-scum agendas. This has yet to change.
Prohawk <--Like Antagonist, only worse. There's not a lick of scumhunting in his iso if you actually look. There's bullying Aeris, and there's pushing me as scum in a highly-OMGUSy fashion, but no real scumhunting. His tone is a dead-ringer for Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia 2, too, where he was scum in that very-obvious-to-him multiball game.

These are the rough tiers I have. If there's only two Meteor left, we have two mislynches to spare, but I'd prefer to use them to clear out the bottom of my list since not everyone there's going to be scum. But I do think the scum are in ProHawk, Antagonist, hiplop, and Seiko, emphasis the first two, deemphasis the last one.
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Post Post #4462 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:28 pm

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In post 2807, ProHawk wrote:Mastin has too many supporters because 'meta', but I would be happy helping with a Mastin lynch.
Btw, justsayin', I had supporters.

Had
, past-tense.

What happened to them?

They either (1) got replaced (Nacho, Tammy), or (2) got nightkilled. (Bulbazak, Kaboose, and Varsoon.)

Now granted, two of those were on the same night, so one of them had to be Shinra rather than Meteor, but that
also
means the other
had
to be Meteor and therefore I'd have killed
not one
but two, I repeat,
two
allies of mine.

Also worth mentioning: people are conveniently forgetting the fact that Jaqen, the source of the guilty himself, was
willing to let me live
. He was alright with "letting me live another day". He was alright with the Saint lynch which was explicitly Meteor-hunting. What does that mean? He recognized that
it was possible his result was tampered with
. I can point it out, too, but this should be evident by his vote alone. Check how often it was on me; now check how often it WASN'T. The wasn't far outweighs the was.
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Post Post #4463 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:00 pm

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In post 4451, Radja wrote:So I'm scum doctor then?

yes
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Post Post #4464 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:01 pm

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what was kaboose's "result" that mastin's going on about?
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Post Post #4465 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:06 pm

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In post 4464, The Antagonist wrote:what was kaboose's "result" that mastin's going on about?


She's convinced that Kaboose was redirected to a turk by someone on N3, and thought he was investigating her, and received a town result from that individual.
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Post Post #4466 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:07 pm

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In post 3980, Kaboose wrote:I have reasons beyond Mastin's posts to believe her town.

ok i see this...

unless he got "mason" or "friendly neighbor" kaboose couldn't have possibly gotten a definitive inno though
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Post Post #4467 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:14 pm

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In post 4466, The Antagonist wrote:
In post 3980, Kaboose wrote:I have reasons beyond Mastin's posts to believe her town.

ok i see this...

unless he got "mason" or "friendly neighbor" kaboose couldn't have possibly gotten a definitive inno though


Yes, he could have. His role gave him the full name and alignment of "certain players", as his flip said.
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Post Post #4468 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:14 pm

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In post 4458, mastin2 wrote:While ignoring the equally valid Kaboose result that is on the other side.
Why?

OH HEY MASTIN I JUST FELL OFF THE FUCKING TURNIP TRUCK. I'VE NEVER DESIGNED SETUPS BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ROLECOP AND A TRACKER IS. NYUCKNYUCKNYCUNCYUCNCYCKCK
DSAJLKHVA;USEHFDDESAF;LJAF;LN;OIVND;SOUHF;JASDL;FJ;LKFASFD

because rolecops don't get definitive guilties/innocents. if jaqen is even remotely competent, he's suggesting he tracked you to a corpse which is as close to a definitive guilty as you're going to get.
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Post Post #4469 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:16 pm

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In post 4312, borkjerfkin wrote:Receives full role name and alignment of certain players.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, ok.

._.

that's not a rolecop. :igmeou:
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Post Post #4470 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:18 pm

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'mkay the dilemma's coming together for me now
UNVOTE: for a second
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Post Post #4471 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:20 pm

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In post 4465, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 4464, The Antagonist wrote:what was kaboose's "result" that mastin's going on about?


She's convinced that Kaboose was redirected to a turk by someone on N3, and thought he was investigating her, and received a town result from that individual.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is there anything that suggests that maybe it's the opposite? (kaboose only got full alignments from people who AREN'T turks?)

is that plausible? i have zero knowledge of the flavor.
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Post Post #4472 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:26 pm

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In post 4471, The Antagonist wrote:
In post 4465, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 4464, The Antagonist wrote:what was kaboose's "result" that mastin's going on about?


She's convinced that Kaboose was redirected to a turk by someone on N3, and thought he was investigating her, and received a town result from that individual.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is there anything that suggests that maybe it's the opposite? (kaboose only got full alignments from people who AREN'T turks?)

is that plausible? i have zero knowledge of the flavor.


Heidegger was temporarily placed in command of the Turks. It makes sense for him to be able to identify only them.
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Post Post #4473 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:28 pm

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In post 4451, Radja wrote:
In post 4445, The Antagonist wrote:
In post 4369, Radja wrote:Why am I alive exactly?

I protected Antagonist. I will read up later

...

you protected a claimed vt over a claimed tracker...???????????????????????????????????


I asked for claims when I replaced in and nobody told me you claimed VT.
There was a lot of crap going on about Jaqen's claim so I don't know what was going on with that either.
I also assumed I was going to die.

So I'm scum doctor then?


how do you justify not protecting the claimed tracker now?
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Post Post #4474 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:29 pm

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In post 4460, mastin2 wrote:This is wrong, btw.

GIF claimed that, yes.
Radja took it back and said there was no action submitted N3.

why would gif have claimed it if they didn't actually do it, though?

honestly, the paranoid side of me thinks Radja saw that claiming a doc on Cephrir made no sense and that's why he retracted it. it wouldn't be the first time i've seen scum alter a predecessor's claim
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