Open 611 - Making Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Alchemist21]

Actually, look back through Expedience's ISO. It's not just Luna he attacked, but killthestory too. Then somehow, instead of pushing those two, he has both at the top of his Townreads, and uses the same reasoning he attacked Luna for to Townread her. I know this was after he got some pushback from others for attacking playstyle, but to me that kind of reversal looks more like scum trying to stay out of the hot seat.

It actually makes it even more odd when you think that ika attacked him for those 2 comments.

Odd for Exp or for Ika? Not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here.

[Alchemist21]

I am fucking pr0 at pagetopping this game.

[Luna Fox]

Odd for Exp or for Ika? Not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here.

For Exp, I'm agreeing with you.

Like

>I dislike this post about townhunting
>I dislike this thing kill said looks like tryhard

>Ika votes Exp because of those

>Ok those 2 are town.

[gob]

k1ll

???????

is there a clique from another site?
you seem like you already know each other

i cant say we're friends but we do talk a lot.

Besides, if Masons focus on towny players, while during the day phase we lynch scummy players it gives less spots for scum to hide in.
While if a scum can become super towny, and wont be lynched and Masons dont attempt to recruit them then they can easily coast until endgame undetected.
So i think this course of action will corner scum more easily.

This isn't specifically what your post said.

Your post was very much like fence sitting. You said they wouldn't be townie or scummy, but this is implying that players naturally scummy all the time.

You said they would lay under the radar, but isn't this also considered scummy? Your post is essentially a fluff (l
("Fluff" is what we call any and all irrelevant or simply unsubstantial talk during the day. Examples can be as little as "good job jailor" or as big as people having a full-on conversation about their favorite anime. The fact is, ToS is a game of strategy- not a chatroom. If you find someone with similar interests and want to talk to them, that's awesome. But please, add them after the game and discuss it somewhere else. Saying "gj jailor" or "omg vig why did you random shoot" may seem harmless, but when all 13 people in the game say it, you've just wasted 13 lines of chat to pretty much not do anything at all.) Seeing as your post is mainly useless.

This also can be a post to fall back on later

This fluff example was fluffier than anything Luna had said.

Also hi again!

What is so fluffy about this? If you look at context it makes sense.

@Gob, who were you saying is handing out too many Townreads? It looks like you were talking to Luna when you said it, but in context looks like you could have been referring to Heartless as well.

Luna.

[gob]

I think Alchemist is scum.

[Alchemist21]

So why did you call Luna scum for having too many Townreads and not comment on Heartless' comment of everyone who had posted seems Town?

[Alchemist21]

I think Alchemist is scum.

Do you have a reason for this or is it gut?

[Killthestory]

Give me tommorow to reply to everything.

Meanwhile, I'm going to bash my head into a fucking wall because of these moronic comments.

[Luna Fox]

I'm going to bash my head into a fucking wall because of these moronic comments.

this is unnecessary, remember that this is a game so let's all be nice to each other ok? ^_^

[Killthestory]

I'm going to bash my head into a fucking wall because of these moronic comments.

this is unnecessary, remember that this is a game so let's all be nice to each other ok? ^_^

It's not nice to make me pay for the damages

[ika]

I'm going to bash my head into a fucking wall because of these moronic comments.

this is unnecessary, remember that this is a game so let's all be nice to each other ok? ^_^

It's not nice to make me pay for the damages

you dont have to, you can just not play

[Killthestory]

But then where would I get the excuse to flip tables

[Expedience]

He alludes that he explains everything and here:

Gob: town for now from the few pretty good posts he's made, if he posted more I could be more sure.

10/10 explanation.

Here's why:

60: Raises a valid point, this was honestly what I was thinking as I read through the thread.
64: Makes it clear that he dislikes the fact that the scum are townreading many players quickly, but not necessarily because they are gut reads. This seems town-motivated, because he's clear to accuse people for the reasons that he considers correct.
68: Restating a point, null.
74: Gob seems to be town-minded here, and is trying to gather information on questionable behavior.

And that's all that he'd written at that point.

I can do this for other players if you want, but I have better things to do with my time.

I think Alchemist is scum.

Why? Is this a gut read?

[Expedience]

64: Makes it clear that he dislikes the fact that

the scum

are townreading many players quickly, but not necessarily because they are gut reads.

I didn't proofread this and evidently worded this very poorly. I don't think that Luna is scum, that was meant to be some kind of general statement about it being a scumread but I mangled sentences together. Consider this sentence revised to:

64: Makes it clear that he dislikes the fact that Luna is townreading many players quickly, but not necessarily that they are gut reads.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Expedience

and post 105 has no real contents there. and is jsut anice potshot

This I agree with. Expedience just tried to undermine a common playstyle. It's hard to believe he wouldn't know better by now.

How hard to believe? I've never heard of "townhunting" being a common playstyle until this game, and I still don't think that it's much different to how town normally should play. Since it seems widespread enough I can now accept that it wasn't used as an excuse to hide scum motive.

[Expedience]

This is the extent of everyone who has posted before you.
Remove Heartless since you're talking about his reads and you have.
Town, slight town, town, town, null.
Isn't this what Heartless is reading with the exception of you having a null in ika?

Because I actually gave some basis behind my opinions rather than just "yep, looks like everyone here is still town".

alright... teaching moment.

expedience, plz complete the following sentence:
"scum are less likely to give reasons with a vote because _________"

They don't have good reasoning behind their vote, because being scum themselves they cannot legitimately scumhunt.

Not sure if you're implying that I'm wrong or just asking if I know or not. If you want to challenge my biases or whatever I'm cool with that.

[Expedience]

Expedience, Hon, you don't know what in the fuck I'm actually doing, so don't pretend you do. Okay, Dear, thanks ^-^.

What are you doing then? If you gave substance rather than condescension it would help me to read you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

V O T E C O U N T

1 . 0 4

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(3)

Expedience -

ika, Alchemist21, Luna Fox

(L-4)

(2)

Luna Fox -

Killthestory, gob

(L-5)

(1)

Heartless -

Expedience

(L-6)

(1)

Firebringer -

Heartless

(L-6)

(1)

Vedith -

Firebringer

(L-6)

(5)

Not Voting —

Draynth, Vedith, VeeGee, ronit, GrayFoxxxx

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

Mod Notes;

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-09-29 23:00:00)

[Luna Fox]

@Mod: there was a vote at the bottom of 193

~Thanks, it's super early! Apologies.

[Expedience]

Actually, look back through Expedience's ISO. It's not just Luna he attacked, but killthestory too. Then somehow, instead of pushing those two, he has both at the top of his Townreads, and uses the same reasoning he attacked Luna for to Townread her. I know this was after he got some pushback from others for attacking playstyle, but to me that kind of reversal looks more like scum trying to stay out of the hot seat.

Firstly, they weren't at the top of my reads, which were not in order. This is shown by how I read Killthestory as "slight town", but Firebringer as "town".

I can criticize one aspect of a player's behavior while still reading them as town. You're implying that I am somehow inconsistent for not continuing to push people who I have already accused, which I don't understand. Luna gave adequate responses to allay my doubts about the "townhunting" thing, while Killthestory hadn't responded to my accusation (which was really the main problem I had with her) at that time.

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

Yeah i think Exp is being honest here.

[ika]

if i prog dodge for the rest of the game day would you be pissed at me

[Vedith]

Preferable for you not to.

[Heartless]

I can criticize one aspect of a player's behavior while still reading them as town.

that's kind of awful.

word of advice. don't do that.

[Heartless]

if i prog dodge for the rest of the game day would you be pissed at me

just leave your vote on firebringer on the way out