Open 606: Near-Vanilla 40k TOWN WINS

4nxi3ty · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:27 pm

honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

Malakittens · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:11 pm

We are going to be lynching between random and vamp.

IDK why people are trying to push elsewhere because that's not where the most information is to be gained.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:03 am

4nxi3ty wrote:honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

this is actually a good scum tactic as we were clearly going to lynch between me and vamp so they got an extra nightkill.

Vampirate · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:52 am

In post 852, Randomnamechange wrote:
4nxi3ty wrote:honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

this is actually a good scum tactic as we were clearly going to lynch between me and vamp so they got an extra nightkill.

Explain this. If you are town, the scum had an easy bandwagon to hop on and not have any blood on their hands. After your death obviously I would be the next lynch choice. Basically going on the theory that we are both town that's 2 easy, hands free mislynches.

Also you haven't answered my question. Why is it a good move for mafia to flavor claim in a open setup? If you really believe this then you should be able to back it up with logic.

4nxi3ty · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:09 am

actually if both random and vamp are town:

that should mean scum were already on the wagons (at most 1 off)
and town were the reason the lynch didn't go through

borrowing this for a sec:

In post 692, Huntress wrote:
Vampirate
- 5 (
Malakittens, Firebringer
, Huntress, randomidget,
Vedith
)
randomidget- 3 (
4nxi3ty, St Constantine the Hermit
, TheWorst)
Firebringer- 1 (
Yimmy
)
Yimmy- 1 (ika)

Not voting - 2 (
duppin, Vampirate
)

based on PoE of my townreads scum should be in some form of Random, Worst, Huntress, Ika

Not confident in mala being town but I did really like the way she reacted to me a few times
Wish duppin and yimmy were slightly more active/involved in the game, it's tough trusting my townreads are correct on them otherwise

People still suspicious of hermit at this point is BANANAS B.A.N.A.N.A.S
he didn't claim under duress at L-1 or anything like that to save himself from being lynched, it was at the beginning of the day

Huntress I don't actually have a scumread per say. I thought JellyRolls play was okay but I haven't been super impressed with what she has been posting lately and I comepletely disagree with her firebringer read.

Vampirate · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:08 am

UNVOTE:

VOTE: randomidget

Let's avoid another no lynch shall we.

Either vote random or myself, which ever.

While I have scum reads on others, at this point the town has pretty made up their minds on the top 2 lynch targets. If random wants to convince others to change his vote, he might as well come up with something.

While I don't know if either 4nxiety or Hermit are scum or not, i'd like to hear random's thought process on both. Otherwise if I don't get anything i'm going to chalk it up to random throwing suspicion on both of them.

Firebringer · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:55 am

Ugh...
I don't like this at all.
VOTE: Randommidget
Scum do me a favor and kill me tonight.

ika · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 856, Firebringer wrote:Ugh...
I don't like this at all.
VOTE: Randommidget
Scum do me a favor and kill me tonight.

in b4 they do and you get saved

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:12 pm

Firebringer, I love you man, even if you are scum.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:09 pm

Vampirate wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: randomidget

Let's avoid another no lynch shall we.

Either vote random or myself, which ever.

While I have scum reads on others, at this point the town has pretty made up their minds on the top 2 lynch targets. If random wants to convince others to change his vote, he might as well come up with something.

While I don't know if either 4nxiety or Hermit are scum or not, i'd like to hear random's thought process on both. Otherwise if I don't get anything i'm going to chalk it up to random throwing suspicion on both of them.

Anxiety is my biggest townread
Scth could be fakeclaiming and I dislike the way hr was refusing to do anything.

Vampirate wrote:
In post 852, Randomnamechange wrote:
4nxi3ty wrote:honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

this is actually a good scum tactic as we were clearly going to lynch between me and vamp so they got an extra nightkill.

Explain this. If you are town, the scum had an easy bandwagon to hop on and not have any blood on their hands. After your death obviously I would be the next lynch choice. Basically going on the theory that we are both town that's 2 easy, hands free mislynches.

Also you haven't answered my question. Why is it a good move for mafia to flavor claim in a open setup? If you really believe this then you should be able to back it up with logic.

And once I flip town they will still lynch you. This way scum get three nightkills over the space of two lynches rathet than two.
It isn't. It's a good move to flavour claim in this game. There are a lot of potential roles that people could be and as there are multiple PRs there is a decent chance yoy can claim a flavour without being counterclaimee. Most players wouldn't risk it but scth seems like the kind of player thst would.

Reubus Swagrid · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:08 am

3.2(expired on 2015-09-25 08:00:00)

randomidget- 4 (4nxi3ty, TheWorst, Firebringer, Vampirate)
Vampirate- 3 (randomidget, Malakittens, ika)
Yimmy- 1 (St Constantine the Hermit)
Firebringer- 1 (Huntress)
TheWorst- 1
duppin- 0
St Constantine the Hermit- 0
Malakittens- 0
ika- 0
4nxi3ty- 0
Huntress- 0

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Reubus Swagrid · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:09 am

That VC was hard

Vampirate · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:19 am

In post 856, Firebringer wrote:Ugh...
I don't like this at all.
VOTE: Randommidget
Scum do me a favor and kill me tonight.

I don't like this post.

It reads to me as scum trying to pretend the current lynch is a bad lynch. Thus if random is a mislynch Firebringer can go "See, I told you so" and soak up the town credit.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:10 am

flashwagon fb vamp?

Huntress · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:08 am

In post 834, Huntress wrote:
@ Firebringer:
Re: 720, why in particular did you want people to ignore Yimmy's 716?

Still waiting for a reply to this.

In post 844, Vampirate wrote:As for the points you made that I missed or if you like avoided. My reads changed simply. ASP got lynched then Titus then died. I had to consider that I was wrong, thus I came to the conclusion that scum knocked of Titus, not only because she was a good player but she was directly involved against 4nxiety, Hetmit and Vedith ordeal. Thus it was a possible scum play for a setup.

What made you choose that option rather than the other two (PR hunting or her being correct)?

In post 856, Firebringer wrote:Ugh...
I don't like this at all.

What didn't you like? Because it looked like your post was a reaction against Vampirate but you repeated your vote on random. Did I misunderstand that?

Malakittens · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:46 am

@those not voting/voting other wagons not vamp or RM:

If you had to chose pick one of those players and why?

I feel like the day might end like last day and I really don't want a NL two days in a row. So stop sidelining and actually pick please and thanks!

duppin · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:17 am

The lynch is obviously going to be between random and Vampirate. I am not entirely sure who I'd rather lynch to be honest though.

Vampirate has bothered me all game, but random's push on me yesterday his overall play just does not make sense.

Huntress · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:33 am

@ Mala:

I'll switch to Vamp if need be but I still think Firebringer has the best chance of being scum so would rather keep my vote there. A few people have expressed interest in him so it may yet be possible.

What do you know of random's meta? I haven't done any digging yet but I have a vague recollection from games that I've read that his play is always a bit like this in the early stages.

@ Duppin:

What's your current read on firebringer?

duppin · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:39 am

@Huntress,

I don't really know what to think of him. His interactions today has been a little weird, but that is not unusual for him.
But I will say this: if Vampirate flips scum, I am almost positive Firebringer is aligned with him.

duppin · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:43 am

Okay almost positive is pushing it, but Firebringer likes to call out his scumbuddies (which he did), yet he was pretty quick to 'believe' Vampirate and remove his vote. When Vampirate brought up the fact that we should not go for another no lynch (post #855), Firebringer joined Vampirate's vote on randomidget, even though Vampirate was the leading train.

Firebringer stated that he did not like the randomidget train, yet he chose to vote on him instead of the top train because he did not want a no lynch. That's very questionable.

duppin · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:45 am

God I need to sleep.

I meant that Firebringer called Vampirate out and voted on him earlier, which he likes to do as scum (at least that is the impression I got from his scum game on this site), so if Vampirate flips scum it matches up.

4nxi3ty · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:10 pm

I probably won't be voting vampirate or firebringer for the entirety of this game just so you know

Firebringer · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:54 pm

In post 870, duppin wrote:God I need to sleep.

I meant that Firebringer called Vampirate out and voted on him earlier, which he likes to do as scum (at least that is the impression I got from his scum game on this site), so if Vampirate flips scum it matches up.

Can you point to one game where this is actually true of me?

I don't even remember playing one game with you where I was scum.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:10 pm

In post 866, duppin wrote:The lynch is obviously going to be between random and Vampirate. I am not entirely sure who I'd rather lynch to be honest though.

Vampirate has bothered me all game, but random's push on me yesterday his overall play just does not make sense.

This is standard for me.

Vampirate · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:39 am

In post 854, 4nxi3ty wrote:
borrowing this for a sec:

In post 692, Huntress wrote:
Vampirate
- 5 (
Malakittens, Firebringer
, Huntress, randomidget,
Vedith
)
randomidget- 3 (
4nxi3ty, St Constantine the Hermit
, TheWorst)
Firebringer- 1 (
Yimmy
)
Yimmy- 1 (ika)

Not voting - 2 (
duppin, Vampirate
)

4nxiety, shouldn't you have Firebringer as green if you don't intend to lynch him anytime soon, i'm assuming you are town reading him?

Also I disagree with your read on Firebringer, i'm scum reading him.