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[Garmr]

The Reds - Roleblocker + Godfather against Tracker + Cop, only protective was one-shot bulletproof
Paint the town Red Tracker + Vig + Doctor against Roleblocker
A Game of Pokes - Cop/Doctor against Roleblocker

It turns out that Mafia Roleblockers are not as common in games as I thought they were, and that hitting the roleblocker Day 1 is not as awesome as I thought it would be. I still think that investigative outing at this point has a pretty big chance of breaking the game, so, if you see this and trust me and feel like outing, out away.

If not, don't.

I was scum in paint and that was a body guard we shot not a dr

[Garmr]

Never mind that was space mafia lol

[Garmr]

Paint was when I fake copped wanderer

[Thor665]

Who was the third hammer intent?
To a degree I kind of want to lynch one of the hammer intents - I stand by what I said yesterday about that, that was *weird* and I am pretty willing to bet that there was a sloppy bus attempt hidden in that snarl.

I'll come right out and say that if I were going to bus, I wouldn't mess it up that badly. If you're going to look for a late bus look elsewhere.
My thoughts on the bussing angle is that it's more likely to be someone in the middle, if anyone bussed..

Are you aware of any other game where there was a wagon on Day 1 that had more than two players offering hammer intent?
I don't think I've ever seen that before, and I've played a lot of games.
Have you seen that before?

I will agree that there is a decent chance of a middle scum bus also - but I see nothing to argue against a late scum bus - do you?

@Nacho - meta me Garmr's bus/defend habits also - that head on the block thing was wonky and he failed to justify it when directly asked. What's your thought there?

I am pretty bus happy anyone can tell you that or you can look yourself

I am too lazy to look, but I'll be happy to let you disagree with Nacho's opinion if he disagrees with you.

My scum reads are Dave and event

Why Eventi?

@thor
You were right I was wrong. If you want my reasons why I town read ciara its because I thought I was right about karma and you were scum trying to push the wagon away from karma and I would of done anything to foil you hell if ciara flipped town I was going to fake cop a scum read on you.

[Garmr]

Now I'm going to defend scum buddies in future games so it doesn't become a tell this is bothersome

[davesaz]

Who was the third hammer intent?
To a degree I kind of want to lynch one of the hammer intents - I stand by what I said yesterday about that, that was *weird* and I am pretty willing to bet that there was a sloppy bus attempt hidden in that snarl.

I'll come right out and say that if I were going to bus, I wouldn't mess it up that badly. If you're going to look for a late bus look elsewhere.
My thoughts on the bussing angle is that it's more likely to be someone in the middle, if anyone bussed..

Are you aware of any other game where there was a wagon on Day 1 that had more than two players offering hammer intent?
I don't think I've ever seen that before, and I've played a lot of games.
Have you seen that before?

I will agree that there is a decent chance of a middle scum bus also - but I see nothing to argue against a late scum bus - do you?

No, I can't rule out a late bus, I just think in general it's less likely than early. Mostly because it can be so obvious. TBH I did not expect to see others also offer hammer intent, and don't think I have seen that before. I'm used to calling it and using it, not having someone jump in front of me like that.

In other news, I found Nacho's initial post to be very interesting. I can easily think of a reason for scum to start out that way, given the lack of a kill.

[Radja]

I'm going to guess there's a protective role out there, so I am going to claim: I'm town cop.

I investigated Bella, who is town.

[Garmr]

Haha yes I knew it Bella is town.

[Garmr]

@tho rwas waiting to get home to answer why i expect eventi show you this

Other than his vote on the ciara wagon which has been explained by others which I agree with. There's this post

@Garmr, just skimmed your iso and the only point I see you make is 255 that Karmic called Ciara a lurker.

What did I miss?

........ DON'T SKIM PLEASE AND ACTUALLY READ IT THERE'S MORE.........

...NOTICE THAT I QUOTED STUFF, ASKED IF I WAS WRONG, AND HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY ASKING YOU TO TAKE UP THE GAUNTLET AND STATE THE CASE OPENLY, SIMPLY, AND IN ONE PLACE, WHAT "MORE" AM I MISSING EXACTLY...

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AND I FUCKING HAVE, I WANT TO CHOKE YOU TO DEATH RIGHT NOW. 268 Fucking to 268 my main points I even surmise what I'm saying at the end of it.

Backtracking,mudthrowing,reaching,Finding a excuse to jump on the lead wagon there's a plethora of reasons why you are scum.

if you want to know how i came to those conclusion read that post BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT MORE YOUR MISSING IS A BRAIN.

Now I think you need a hug. Go look up impotent

To me it looks like scum having A laugh at two townie's arguing.

Why are you so concerned with Karmic's opinion of me? Why Karmic specifically?

This is a extremely weird reaction. I don't think a townie would have this a townie may get paranoid at all the compliments that karmic was giving while having reads that jumped up and down.


It's quite possible karmic is scum still as well but that's less likely after last lynch and his place on the wagon (being the second vote).

[eventi]

I have no doubt that's why you think I'm scum... "Look at how angry I am everybody - I'm from the BAN THREAD" I WANT TO CHOKE YOU TO DEATH

You're a joke and I laughed at you

[eventi]

And I don't see anything wrong with asking why Karmic? I do wonder why he can't answer though

[Garmr]

I have no doubt that's why you think I'm scum... "Look at how angry I am everybody - I'm from the BAN THREAD" I WANT TO CHOKE YOU TO DEATH

You're a joke and I laughed at you

what ever you say scum but now it's time for you to get lynched. btw I'm not even the angriest person on this site you haven't meet kuribo yet or you haven't pissed off mollie. Plus I kinda played that up so I could get my way guess it didn't work like it does for kuribo.

And I don't see anything wrong with asking why Karmic? I do wonder why he can't answer though

You showed no concern about what karmic was and only the fact you were brought up. When karmic was kissing your ass so that his nose turned brown a townies first reaction should be why is he doing that. Not why are you asking that question to karmic so you can continue to get brown nosed. Now your looking for a way out of this line of questioning because you don't have a answer you god damn fucked up :p

[eventi]

I have no doubt that's why you think I'm scum... "Look at how angry I am everybody - I'm from the BAN THREAD" I WANT TO CHOKE YOU TO DEATH

You're a joke and I laughed at you

what ever you say scum but now it's time for you to get lynched. btw I'm not even the angriest person on this site you haven't meet kuribo yet or you haven't pissed off mollie. Plus I kinda played that up so I could get my way guess it didn't work like it does for kuribo.

So you think I'm scum because I hurt your feelings?

I can't imagine that clown shit working for anyone, or on anyone for that matter.

And I don't see anything wrong with asking why Karmic? I do wonder why he can't answer though

You showed no concern about what karmic was and only the fact you were brought up. When karmic was kissing your ass so that his nose turned brown a townies first reaction should be why is he doing that. Not why are you asking that question to karmic so you can continue to get brown nosed. Now your looking for a way out of this line of questioning because you don't have a answer you god damn fucked up :p

[eventi]

Sorry, fat fingered the submit button...

You're going to have to show me Karmic kissing my ass, it must have escaped my notice.

[Garmr]

I have no doubt that's why you think I'm scum... "Look at how angry I am everybody - I'm from the BAN THREAD" I WANT TO CHOKE YOU TO DEATH

You're a joke and I laughed at you

what ever you say scum but now it's time for you to get lynched. btw I'm not even the angriest person on this site you haven't meet kuribo yet or you haven't pissed off mollie. Plus I kinda played that up so I could get my way guess it didn't work like it does for kuribo.

So you think I'm scum because I hurt your feelings?

I can't imagine that clown shit working for anyone, or on anyone for that matter.

And I don't see anything wrong with asking why Karmic? I do wonder why he can't answer though

You showed no concern about what karmic was and only the fact you were brought up. When karmic was kissing your ass so that his nose turned brown a townies first reaction should be why is he doing that. Not why are you asking that question to karmic so you can continue to get brown nosed. Now your looking for a way out of this line of questioning because you don't have a answer you god damn fucked up :p

Nope i think your scum for other reasons as well don't try to portray that as the only reason. Also scum getting between fights between two townies is a scum tell that has been established by others not just me lol so don't try to portray it as something else.

Sorry, fat fingered the submit button...

You're going to have to show me Karmic kissing my ass, it must have escaped my notice.

Eventi = Not much to go on, kind of seems like unlikely scum...

Also feels like a smart player. Could be a great town asset with more contribution.

Bad D1 lynch.

He goes back on it latter saying his read of you is jumping up and down. That's why we were trying to get a response out of him by applying pressure but you jumped in and broke the flow. Tbh If you were reading the whole conversation like a good townie should (which there wasn't much of i would understand if it had been going on for pages but a couple of posts lol) Tbh at the time you should of been a null read at best as you didn't provide much info at the time.

[Thor665]

No, I can't rule out a late bus, I just think in general it's less likely than early. Mostly because it can be so obvious. TBH I did not expect to see others also offer hammer intent, and don't think I have seen that before. I'm used to calling it and using it, not having someone jump in front of me like that.

This feels like a lot of statement of "null" - is that right?

I'm going to guess there's a protective role out there, so I am going to claim: I'm town cop.

I investigated Bella, who is town.

The more exciting aspect to me here is a potential Radja clear, frankly.
Okay, we'll leave Bella alive for the nonce.

Thor665

, KarmicGuide,

Radja

, pistachi0n,

Nachom

amma8,

eve

nti,

SilverWolf

And

Bella

Da

ve
as the rest of the hammer intent squad.

Still kind of favoring Pistach methinks.

what ever you say scum but now it's time for you to get lynched. btw I'm not even the angriest person on this site you haven't meet kuribo yet or you haven't pissed off mollie. Plus I kinda played that up so I could get my way guess it didn't work like it does for kuribo.

Mollie's more of an incessant whine than angry.
Kuribo also explains stuff even while being angry - it's why your method ground to a halt and his generally doesn't. It's not level of anger, it's level of explanation paired with anger.

[Thor665]

No, I can't rule out a late bus, I just think in general it's less likely than early. Mostly because it can be so obvious. TBH I did not expect to see others also offer hammer intent, and don't think I have seen that before. I'm used to calling it and using it, not having someone jump in front of me like that.

This feels like a lot of statement of "null" - is that right?/quote]
Also, thinking about this, a roleblocker would probably be worth at least some light defense/alternate wagon pushing, so I'd tend to expect scum to be on the later end even if they opted to bus - no?

[Thor665]

Eh.

VOTE: Pistachi0n

[Garmr]

Mollie's more of an incessant whine than angry.

if you read them and there IS an sk then they only made 1 nk. aj was blown up by the town bomb variant.

it is a fantastic logical leap to make cos if there is a 1 shot vig no1 in their right mind is going to claim it. it is however illogical to assume that just cos we have a fbi agent we have a sk. this leap makes you either a VI of garmr levels or flat inexperienced despite your join date cos mods will put in superfluous roles to keep the game from being broken all the time. I am not saying, "OMG THERE IS NO CHANCE FOR A SK EVER ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!" what I am saying is that town shld not assume there is and lynch players based off that assumption. if you can't grasp this very basic concept then you are a fucking moron.

after I flip town go back and look at how you basically supported a 23 yr old misogynist who watches red socket porn or the fuck it is you call it (sickest shit I have ever heard of and shows extreme violence against women) and you are only giving him masturbatory material for the next year. I don't give a shit about being lynched the game stopped being fun for me ages ago its just that it pisses me off how people will help him serve his personal petty vendetta. I don't even take it personally i am pretty sure all women who do not return his affections are bitches in his eyes. first he said I was scum but with the IaI flip that obviously couldn't work, then I had to be sk, then it was he didn't even care WHAT I was he just wanted me lynched and you...are sheeping him. he has been solidly going after me since d2 and when he wasn't going after me he was going after titus.

and you are sheeping him.

You obviously haven't pissed off mollie then. She said this after I keeped saying she was the sk all the time. I wasn't being mean or calling her names or even shouting at her I just generally believed she was sk and pushed it 24/7. Also i accused her of ate.

[Garmr]

No, I can't rule out a late bus, I just think in general it's less likely than early. Mostly because it can be so obvious. TBH I did not expect to see others also offer hammer intent, and don't think I have seen that before. I'm used to calling it and using it, not having someone jump in front of me like that.

This feels like a lot of statement of "null" - is that right?

I'm going to guess there's a protective role out there, so I am going to claim: I'm town cop.

I investigated Bella, who is town.

The more exciting aspect to me here is a potential Radja clear, frankly.
Okay, we'll leave Bella alive for the nonce.

Thor665

, KarmicGuide,

Radja

, pistachi0n,

Nachom

amma8,

eve

nti,

SilverWolf

And

Bella

Da

ve
as the rest of the hammer intent squad.

Still kind of favoring Pistach methinks.

what ever you say scum but now it's time for you to get lynched. btw I'm not even the angriest person on this site you haven't meet kuribo yet or you haven't pissed off mollie. Plus I kinda played that up so I could get my way guess it didn't work like it does for kuribo.

Mollie's more of an incessant whine than angry.
Kuribo also explains stuff even while being angry - it's why your method ground to a halt and his generally doesn't. It's not level of anger, it's level of explanation paired with anger.

Don't understand why you would clear dave, Also eventi. they are both viable scum silver wolf seems town to me through.

[Thor665]

You obviously haven't pissed off mollie then. She said this after I keeped saying she was the sk all the time. I wasn't being mean or calling her names or even shouting at her I just generally believed she was sk and pushed it 24/7. Also i accused her of ate.

I have played with Mollie more than I care to, as I rather agree with you about her and AtE - she basically lives in that state, and also prefers to ignore facts. Playing with her is exhausting. Doesn't mean she's overloaded with rageahol though.

Don't understand why you would clear dave, Also eventi. they are both viable scum silver wolf seems town to me through.

Gut and gut.

And I'm not full clearing either - that's why their names are only half crossed out.

Do you have a case for Dave scum that I should pay attention to outside of "overreacting" when I cited the multiple hammer intents as scummy seeming?

[KarmicGuide]

I think I'd also still be okay with a Pistach lynch.
Kind of him or Gummy feels like a decent spot to find scum also, and currently I have more town vibe from Gummy (which is saying something )

I'm on board with this.

[Gimlear]

Thor, I'm scum reading your attempt to push a huge wagon on Ciara. And like Dave just said, we (probably) have 8 calendar days. I'm not feeling the danger of a no lynch yet. I think what you're doing is a scum driven attempt to get someone you perceive as a threat out of the game. If a no lynch seems impending after a few more calendar days, I will join a wagon that you are not on.

Thor, you're strawmanning the agruments against you. I'm not voting for you because you're trying to start a wagon. That's inane. I'm voting for you because you're trying to start a wagon with bad reasons. The other wagons I'm fine with.

Thor's reactions since the last time I posted seem town. I still don't like the Ciara wagon, but Karmic is a stronger town read. With no posted countdown, I can't bet on it being 2 weeks. So fine.

VOTE: Ciara

This string of posts from Pista seem really suspicious in light of the Ciara flip. Up until post 244, he had been mostly avoiding the whole Ciara wagon issue. Then he goes from being adamant about not joining the Ciara wagon to "reluctantly" joining the Ciara wagon because he has a stronger town read on Karmic even though he mentioned in his previous post that he was fine with the other wagons (of which the biggest one was Karmic).

VOTE: Pista

[davesaz]

I agree with the points against Pistachi0n. You'll remember I had identified the stance against Thor pushing wagons as suspicious right from the start.

Any comments on Nacho's attack on Bella and simultaneous call for claims? Especially the timing. I agree with Thor's stance regarding not taking a position on claiming itself. No point in helping scum with PR / not PR guesses that could lead from that discussion.

[Gimlear]

I agree with the points against Pistachi0n. You'll remember I had identified the stance against Thor pushing wagons as suspicious right from the start.

Any comments on Nacho's attack on Bella and simultaneous call for claims? Especially the timing. I agree with Thor's stance regarding not taking a position on claiming itself. No point in helping scum with PR / not PR guesses that could lead from that discussion.

I originally was suspicious of Thor as well for the same reasons, but in the posts I quoted Pista was inconsistent with his reads (specifically towards Karmic) without really giving any reasons why.

I don't see your point about the timing with Nacho's PR comment and Bella attack, though. Can you explain that one?