In post 518, Radja wrote: In post 513, Gimlear wrote: In post 505, Radja wrote:So you're saying I would risk getting counterclaimed just to clear a scumbuddy, with a big risk of having it all blow up in my face by having a real cop out there?
At this point I would say it's unlikely but not impossible. There are plenty of reasons for scum to fakeclaim cop even with the threat of counterclaim because a counterclaim does not necessarily mean the first claim was scum.
Just how would it benefit me at this point?
A couple ideas of why scum would do this just off the top of my head:
1. To look town by claiming to have investigated another town player.
2. To fish for actual cop and possibly get them lynched instead.
I'm not saying you are actually doing any of these, but they are possibilities. Let me ask you a question, though: why are you belaboring this point if you are actually town cop? I have not accused you of anything. In fact, I even started the discussion by saying the timing of you vindicating Bella could be just coincidence.
In post 523, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I'm actually the most interested in your thoughts on Thor's alignment today; you seemed the one who was the most critical of Thor's play based on handling the push and I'm wondering if some of that paranoia carried over today or if you think that he's absolutely town. I have my own thoughts of him (which is going to have a bit of personal experience weaved in, sorry!) which I'm waiting to share until certain other people have their say.
My thoughts on Thor haven't changed since this post:
In post 444, Gimlear wrote:@Radja: While I was initially wary of Thor for pushing the Ciara wagon so hard so early, I'm getting a much better town vibe from him now that he has explained his thought processes.
In post 523, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 224, Gimlear wrote:Also, to expound upon why I think your first post was weird, it sounds an awful lot like "Hey mod, you know why I'm voting *wink wink*." This makes it sound like you had a dialogue before the game, which would only be possible for scum.
I can't say I see where you got this impression from. Thor's first post was voting Ciara while stating that he would share his reasoning if requested by the mod, which... doesn't sound anything like pre-game discussion at all?
I will readily admit that this point was a mistake, which is why I never followed up on it.
In post 523, Nachomamma8 wrote:
One of my major concerns about you coming into today was the way it seemed like you flipped from suspecting Thor to supporting him and pushing Ciara when her lynch seemed inevitable down the road; the way you're approaching Thor here makes me feel a little bit better about the push in general, although, I still don't really understand why you pushed for the Karmic wagon in the first place. I understand why you chose Karmic over Ciara, but I don't understand why those were the only two viable choices: you had no problem making waves and pushing Thor earlier in the game, but suddenly later you can't vote anything that's not a wagon?
This question is significant to me because it makes sense that scum in your position would limit his options to his scumbuddy and the counterwagon townie; pushing a different vanity wagon could potentially put two scum in trouble early which would be bad and also wouldn't really help your buddy, while pushing partner for towncred/fighting for her survival by pushing the counterwagon are two moves that make a great deal more sense.
At the time I replaced in, I felt that the 3 slots that had the best reasons for pursuing were Thor, Karmic, and Ciara. The original vote on Karmic started as a sheep of Garmr once Garmr actually explained his reasons, but I continued to poke at Thor and the reasons for the Ciara wagon. I was never actually defending Ciara so much as not understanding the reasons behind the wagon. I even stated in my discussions with Thor that my read on Ciara at the time was null, not town.
In post 523, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 415, Gimlear wrote:This is a valid point, which is why I was considering an intent to hammer on Ciara before the others already did it. Regardless, I third the intent to hammer on Ciara.
This post is a pretty good representation of a couple of the problems I have with your interactions with Ciara. For one, you always seem to be acting in Ciara's best interest for a majority of the day (explaining why the case on her is weak, voting the counterwagon) despite not having a townread on the slot. And then, when Ciara is in trouble beyond trouble, you suddenly make sure that you are seen supporting the wagon (by declaring a third hammer intent when it
really
wasn't necessary and talking about declaring an intent to hammer before others did despite not saying anything about it in thread), which are exactly the type of interactions I expect to be happening from at least one scum.
I realize the timing may seem convenient, but it was not a sudden conversion. By the time Ciara was at L-1, I would have gone with either a Karmic or a Ciara lynch, but the fact that Ciara was at L-1 and the day was drawing to a close was why I expressed the intent to hammer. Yes, it was not necessary since 2 other people had already expressed intent, but I just wanted to make sure we got a lynch.
In post 523, Nachomamma8 wrote:
What points did you like from Thor that made the wagon more appealing than before? It was my impression that the reasons for the wagon never changed from the beginning; they just ended up gaining strength because Ciara continued to lurk and dodge.
When I first replaced in, it looked like Thor was just trying to get people to sheep him without really explaining why they should. At that point I felt like the reasons for the Ciara wagon were vague and not well defined. Then in my interactions with him, Thor explained the reasons for the wagon beyond just "because you should sheep me."
