Mini 1715 - Z - Game over!

[Garmr]

I have been so wrong this game

Are you covering for something?

No not at all. I was wrong about ciara wrong about silver and wrong about dave.

[pistachi0n]

Dave? Why dave?

[Garmr]

Because dave is a jailkeeper I don't think silver wolf would out a scum buddy as a jailkeeper. If she were to fake claim dave it would probably be a doctor as jailkeeper wouldn't make sense since we all presumed it was a DR and if she did find a jail keeper all that jail keeper would have to have to do is jail keep dave tonight and town have pretty much won the game.

there are no benefits in a jail keeper fake claim on a scum buddy if you know who jail keeper is. Pistachi0n it's common sense if you actually think about it.

[Garmr]

we can essentially break this set up.

[Nachomamma8]

lol what

[Nachomamma8]

I'm a doctor, I protected Thor last night

[Nachomamma8]

Would be surprised if the last scum wasn't a godfather: I know exactly who Dave jailed and would be very surprised if silver was bullshitting to clear a buddy

[Nachomamma8]

Still think Silver is the best play for today although I'm significantly less sure about that than I was before

[Garmr]

to many town power roles someone is lying.

[eventi]

Why claim now, Nacho?

[Nachomamma8]

There are an asston of PRs already on the board, I'm pretty confident that Silverwolf is scum #2 based on how things fell through and feel like breaking this game out in the open is probably the best way to play this.

[Nachomamma8]

Especially considering I have three solid townreads on three claimed PRs

[eventi]

Still think Silver is the best play for today although I'm significantly less sure about that than I was before

FWIW your vote won't be counted since zakk said only vote tags

[Nachomamma8]

Like...

Pistach investigates Bella so she's fully confirmed
I protect Dave
Radja investigates next in line
Dave jailkeeps someone different

Then tomorrow we have two conftown + pistach + Dave + Radja with 10 players alive which is an instant win if Dave claims his targets beforehand

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah, I'm not voting now because I want to talk it out

[eventi]

Who protects you? Why not lay low and keep protecting Radja?

[Thor665]

Egads.

[Gimlear]

Your setup leaves Radja and Pista out in the open for an easy NK. I think it's better if we don't talk about who protects who so scum either risks missing the NK again or goes after the protective roles first.

Also, I am still leaning Pista as the better lynch of the two, since her claim felt very opportunistic. The things that make me unsure are Pista's willingness to be lynched so we can get info and Silver's out of the jail keeper role at a point when we probably should have tried to keep the protective roles more of a mystery for scum.

I would still like to hear from Dave regarding the JK claim as well as possibly who he jailed last night.

[Thor665]

does it make sense to have a town cop and a town rolecop even?

I was going to call this a good thing to bring up - kind of vaguely moot now though.

Really? I'm a town rolecop. Pista is lying and scum. No, there's no way there are two town rolecops and no way that two scum would pull a play like this. It makes no sense.

Well, clearly you also just confirmed he *is* a rolecop, so there's that.
I have to admit, in cross claims, I usually tend to favor the first one, even though I've liked your play more than his.

Clearly she was attracting votes, being scumread by several, and was being asked to claim and give reads. She has a result on me, so of course she's going to out it. If she's going down anyway, why not bring down a town PR with you? There's nothing townie about that. It's scum 101 and what any scum in that situation would do.

I agree - it is decent scum play.

Interestingly, Silverwolf's #7246951 has some element of towniness to it, in her motivation for claiming. Scum Silverwolf could easily lie and claim VT or something, and pistach will probably be lynched. Radja, Bella, Thor, do you all think this is possible?

I can see that argument - it just hinges on the scum rolecop happening to target the towncop, but I could see that argument.

I don't think I've ever seen a scumteam in a Mini Normal that has three power roles

I'm sure I have.

My initial thought was that there probably wasn't a protective role as a result, but no kill night 1 so ???.

Just tossing smokescreen here...Doc?

I can talk more about why I wanted cop to claim if it's unnecessary but it's still optimal move after D1 roleblocker lynch and N1 no kill. Interested in hearing Silver's result.

It really wasn't without inside info, in my opinion.

I have been so wrong this game

Are you covering for something?

Shame?

I'm a doctor, I protected Thor last night

There are a Smurfton of PRs already on the board, I'm pretty confident that Silverwolf is scum #2 based on how things fell through and feel like breaking this game out in the open is probably the best way to play this.

I agree at this stage - we should get a Dave target claim.

UNVOTE:

[Thor665]

Pistach investigates Bella so she's fully confirmed
I protect Dave
Radja investigates next in line
Dave jailkeeps someone different

This seems dumb - Radja is high and dry.
Explain?

[davesaz]

I know exactly who Dave jailed

Anyone planning to question this? I think I'll hold off on the result a bit.

[Thor665]

I am fine with that.

After Nacho states his thoughts though, I would like the result.

[KarmicGuide]

Really? I'm a town rolecop. Pista is lying and scum. No, there's no way there are two town rolecops and no way that two scum would pull a play like this. It makes no sense.

Clearly she was attracting votes, being scumread by several, and was being asked to claim and give reads. She has a result on me, so of course she's going to out it. If she's going down anyway, why not bring down a town PR with you? There's nothing townie about that. It's scum 101 and what any scum in that situation would do.

I do have a result on someone if you really want me to say who I checked and why or give my result, I can. I don't know if that would make a difference since it's clear it is either me or pista today regardless. I'm fine being lynched because it would bring down scum the next day but I would be confirmed town if you lynched pista today and scum will have to deal with me at night instead of town killing a PR.

I guess you have to look at who is more likely to be scum and go from there.

I've had a very stressful day and don't have the energy to put up a huge fight but I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. I'll be around off and on while I deal with some RL stuff as well.

Based on the way WW played, I could easily see him/you as a scum rolecop. Dude was really active for a while, despite seeming like he really didn't want to be in the spotlight... that feels like a reasonably likely scum PR to me.

This is difficult, b/c you and pistach both seem like likely scum to me. I think we gotta cook your goose, and judge pistach (and the rest of these claimed PRs) on the outcome of that.

I'll vote you after we get a votecount from a mod.

[pistachi0n]

I know exactly who Dave jailed

Anyone planning to question this? I think I'll hold off on the result a bit.

I'm definitely questioning it.

[Bellaphant]

Nacho 's plan is horrible, why would I need to be double confirmed?? Surely the jk can be used more usefully, and we protect the doc?