Mini 1715 - Z - Game over!

Garmr · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:46 pm

In post 599, Bellaphant wrote:Nacho 's plan is horrible, why would I need to be double confirmed?? Surely the jk can be used more usefully, and we protect the doc?

I'm starting to have doubts on nacho because I know he isn't this dumb

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:34 am

In post 590, eventi wrote:Who protects you? Why not lay low and keep protecting Radja?

Don't think it's necessary; even if scum shoot me tonight, we have an instant win by tomorrow. I wouldn't out if that wasn't the case.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:36 am

In post 593, Thor665 wrote:I'm sure I have.

Let me clarify that: three scum power roles. If you have, could you link it? I think it would be useful.

In post 593, Thor665 wrote:Just tossing smokescreen here...Doc?

Yep.

In post 593, Thor665 wrote:It really wasn't without inside info, in my opinion.

I agree.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:40 am

In post 594, Thor665 wrote:
In post 588, Nachomamma8 wrote:Pistach investigates Bella so she's fully confirmed
I protect Dave
Radja investigates next in line
Dave jailkeeps someone different

This seems dumb - Radja is high and dry.
Explain?

It was my thought at the time that any player confirmed by Dave was 100% confirmed since I would assume the last role would be a godfather; mafia ascetic is the only other role that could give false confirmations (we can assume it's not a strongman since no kill N1) and that doesn't seem as likely to me when the Mafia Roleblocker can already do that.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:42 am

In post 595, davesaz wrote:
In post 581, Nachomamma8 wrote:I know exactly who Dave jailed

Anyone planning to question this? I think I'll hold off on the result a bit.

My guess is Bellaphant; your opening at the beginning of the day made it seem like you were pretty excited to catch scum and if you're JK I couldn't really see you targeting anyone else.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:43 am

In post 599, Bellaphant wrote:Nacho 's plan is horrible, why would I need to be double confirmed?? Surely the jk can be used more usefully, and we protect the doc?

Protecting me is useless since I can't confirm anyone and I can't protect anyone if I'm role blocked. I'm not using the JK to double confirm you; the JK is currently our strongest tool to confirm. I'm using the role cop to double confirm you since Godfather seems like the most reasonable expectation for the third scum power role.

Thor665 · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:56 am

In post 599, Bellaphant wrote:Nacho 's plan is horrible, why would I need to be double confirmed?? Surely the jk can be used more usefully, and we protect the doc?

Depends on the type of JKer, really.

In post 602, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 593, Thor665 wrote:I'm sure I have.

Let me clarify that: three scum power roles. If you have, could you link it? I think it would be useful

Let me clarify - yes, three scum PRs.
I'm not going to go dig through games for the link - you can feel free to do so if you wish, I don't mentally connect info like that to game names, because it is uninteresting to me.

In post 603, Nachomamma8 wrote:It was my thought at the time that any player confirmed by Dave was 100% confirmed since I would assume the last role would be a godfather; mafia ascetic is the only other role that could give false confirmations (we can assume it's not a strongman since no kill N1) and that doesn't seem as likely to me when the Mafia Roleblocker can already do that.

Maybe - though except in the specific instance of a GF - the cop is more useful by far, yeah?

In post 604, Nachomamma8 wrote:My guess is Bellaphant; your opening at the beginning of the day made it seem like you were pretty excited to catch scum and if you're JK I couldn't really see you targeting anyone else.

Interesting, especially since we got a result on Bella - you're presuming a Jailkeeper in the specific wiki sense and not the JKer that is sometimes called the alien, which I see more often here at Mafiascum?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:07 am

In post 606, Thor665 wrote:Maybe - though except in the specific instance of a GF - the cop is more useful by far, yeah?

Not once we lynch Silverwolf.

Role cop can find any non-goon scum.
JK can find any non-ascetic scum.
Cop can find any non-godfather scum.

I find Godfather to be the most plausible option.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:07 am

In post 606, Thor665 wrote:Interesting, especially since we got a result on Bella - you're presuming a Jailkeeper in the specific wiki sense and not the JKer that is sometimes called the alien, which I see more often here at Mafiascum?

I haven't played with an alien variant, but you've probably played more normals than me.

Thor665 · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:11 am

Usually on this board they just call Alien 'Jailkeeper' all it means is that you can't target the jailkept person, whereas non-alien varients *can* have the jailkept person targeted.
You're presuming the newbie-esque jailkeeper, where target can still be the target of other abilities, and it's just sort of like a focused roleblock, yes?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:19 am

In post 609, Thor665 wrote:Usually on this board they just call Alien 'Jailkeeper' all it means is that you can't target the jailkept person, whereas non-alien varients *can* have the jailkept person targeted.
You're presuming the newbie-esque jailkeeper, where target can still be the target of other abilities, and it's just sort of like a focused roleblock, yes?

Yes, but even if it's the alien variant, it shouldn't mess up anything confirmations-wise; we don't need other investigatives targeting the JK's target.

Thor665 · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:26 am

I will admit that I'd like to hear Dave's target now - also a clarification of whether his jailkeep is the 'doc+roleblock' jailkeep or the 'turning target into a hider' jailkeep.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:27 am

In post 600, Garmr wrote:
In post 599, Bellaphant wrote:Nacho 's plan is horrible, why would I need to be double confirmed?? Surely the jk can be used more usefully, and we protect the doc?

I'm starting to have doubts on nacho because I know he isn't this dumb

Guide me through where my thought process is going wrong here; the biggest stretch in my reasoning in my opinion is the part where I think Godfather is the most likely scum power role remaining, but I thought we were on the same page with that.

Thor665 · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:27 am

Target into a commuter, not hider.
I'm awake.
Really.

gummmybear · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:09 am

not really sure what to make of this. lynching Silverwolf seems good still

Thor665 · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:22 am

Do you think everyone else is telling the truth?

davesaz · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:50 am

It's the doc+rb variety, and my target was Bella.

Thor665 · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:26 am

Okay.

@Nacho - if we tag scum today do you agree to protect Dave above all others?
Since, at that point, he's better than a rolecop even for GF finding.

eventi · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:27 am

In post 593, Thor665 wrote:

In post 565, Nachomamma8 wrote:I can talk more about why I wanted cop to claim if it's unnecessary but it's still optimal move after D1 roleblocker lynch and N1 no kill. Interested in hearing Silver's result.

It really wasn't without inside info, in my opinion.

In post 602, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 593, Thor665 wrote:It really wasn't without inside info, in my opinion.

I agree.

Forgive me for being dense, but what is this?

Thor665 · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:33 am

A discussion of optimal strategy based around his roleclaim and actions.

eventi · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:36 am

More to the point, what wasn't without inside info and what was that info?

Thor665 · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:37 am

The info was his role, the wasn't was the investigative claim request.

eventi · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:45 am

In post 621, Thor665 wrote:The info was his role, the wasn't was the investigative claim request.

I get it (finally) Thanks for the hand holding

pistachi0n · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:58 am

In post 616, davesaz wrote:It's the doc+rb variety, and my target was Bella.

In that case I do want to rolecop Bella, and you next if I stick around.

Gimlear · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:28 am

One thing I don't quite understand: how did nacho know that Bella was targeted by the JK? I get that Nacho targeted Bella as doc, but how did he know she was also targeted by JK?