Mini 1709: Radjarok: Game over!

[gob]

VOTE: havingfitz

Angry Avatar scared me.

[gob]

VOTE: stoz

Link is an overrated game series. :}

[gob]

I will be active in this game, school started for me and i have lots of free time when im in my classes.

[gob]

@Hopkrik

Sorry i havent been too active today as i was scuba-diving.

Anyway, i didnt comment much on the game because during the time of that post it was RVS, and i believe we were waiting for others to have their first post.

So we're getting the ball rolling i see, if you want me to say something about the game, then i will mention the role list.
Isnt this the role list where the serial killer has a 50% chance of coming into play? that means we have 2KP correct? Or am i confused here?

[gob]

Alright thank you Dessew.

Anyway, i have 100% with VeeGee on this, vijay2's posts seem to be pulled out of his ass or half-assed. With that said however, i

do not

think he is scum at this time (and i doubt VeeGee thinks that either), his posts arent exactly ones that would slide under the radar.
Though i really wish he would actually give more of a shit here.

[gob]

I never said others posts were grade-A either, but i find the need to mention that Vijays in particular stood out to me as half-assed.

I also didnt mean to put words in VeeGee's mouth, i was only bouncing off of what they previously said.

[gob]

"if you want me to say something about the game, then i will mention the role list. "
I want you to say something? That sounds like you don't want to find scum.
Mentioning role list: Not really game related.

It was more of a question, lmao chill.

So you think he's got a strange tone but he's town?

Exactly. I think

because

of his tone he is looking towny to me.

[gob]

@cedric I think he was just furthering a read

@Hop not at the moment but I shall analyze the thread in about 2 hours and post full reads.

@VeeGee again, since you can't read apparently, I was bouncing off of your post.

[gob]

Playerlist:

1. VeeGee - I think forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7168496#p7168496 says enough for VeeGee, he is obviously trying to appear as a town, asking what he should do, not wanting to step on any toes.
2. Haschel Cedricson - Probably my top town, he seems to be going strong and following on his own reads, unlike VeeGee who is merely putting pressure on an overall quiet, inactive player.
[note] im not saying putting pressure on quiet players is bad, but as i stated before i think vijay is town (for now) however, i still beg for vijay to be active.
3. Klingoncelt - 3 posts
4. Hopkirk - Town at this point. Sure he is acting really stupid on some things, like jumping on me for a RV page 2 but that shows he has good intentions to me.
5. stoz - Another person looking fine, his last post definitely implies he is trying to get the ball rolling. Town or not. Nothing he has said has been particular to either side.
6. SamX - 2 posts
7. gob - Me ;0
8. vijay2vasandani - Though inactive he is definitely giving me the "i really wish i werent here right now" vibe. To me it seems like he is just forcing himself to play yet another game of mafia.
9. texcat - 4 posts
10. Trivium - Yes, probably my first scum read, he is so obviously trying to glide under the radar at this time, are you going to post something?
11. Accountant - Literally bare-bones. They are attempting to act like they're in the game and contributing but lets be real here, she isnt.
12. havingfitz - 1 post, apparently gone on weekends.
13. Dessew - He answered my questions. So i guess thats cool.

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These are incredibly early leads, but i know they are going to point us in the direction of scum.

[gob]

The big difference between SamX and Vidjay is that SamX has 2 posts.

Obviously.

[gob]

unlike VeeGee who is merely putting pressure on an overall quiet, inactive player.

Uh, what? If you're talking about Texcat, I literally stated that I was wrong, and even gave proof.


Or do you mean yourself, which is also a lie?

i was referring to vidjay, and more so i mean quiet.

[gob]

lol kling, sure the reads are early, i even said that. But they are reads, and my reads are usually pretty fucking amazing.

[gob]

The big difference between SamX and Vidjay is that SamX has 2 posts.

Obviously.

Is that sarcasm I hear?

Yes, in the end my reads have bias, the bias is the posts i actually read and took notes on.

With that said, SamX still has 2 posts, while Vidjay has 11.

My reads did not imply the players with the least amount of posts were scum

i was stating that i cannot/will not make a read on these players because of their low post count.

@Texcat lol have you even read the thread or?

[gob]

Lol, yes, I have read the thread. I knew that we were 10 town vs. 3 scum. Have you read the thread??

Of course, if you read the thread and my reads you would know the state i am in.

Trying to move the game forward.

[gob]

SamX, if you can't find any scum right now, is there anyone that stands out as likely to not be scum? You haven't done anything to convince me my vote is misplaced.

I'm pondering your case against VeeGee, vijay.

gob, I noticed you've still got your random vote on me. Is there somewhere it could be better placed?

No.

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Anyway, i play on other forums, but even if you read my newbie game, my early game reads were actually perfect ROFL. Welcome SamX

[gob]

I play on other forums.

Anyway, me saying my reads were on point was just me stroking my ego lmfao.
I do consider myself to have excellent reads however.

UNVOTE:

[gob]

I read over newbie 1632, which I believe was the game gob was referring to. You will note that he quickhammered nachomamma the VT on day 1, and was subsequently lynched on D2.

shit game.

But if you checked my reads, like i stated, you would know that my reads were correct.

Also the quickhammer was a mistake, its why im cautious to vote. I still every time i read the game.

[gob]

Narration or not my reads are a contribution. They

were

my insight on the game at the time. If you dont understand this then i really worry for your metal state.

[gob]

Narration or not my reads are a contribution. They

were

my insight on the game at the time. If you dont understand this then i really worry for your metal state.

So you're only going to respond to one of the things i said (and not a direct response) and give ad hominem?

Sorry i just saw low insults about a newbie game that was terrible to even be in. if you want to actually make good conversation then maybe i'll take you semi-seriously.

[gob]

Narration or not my reads are a contribution. They

were

my insight on the game at the time. If you dont understand this then i really worry for your metal state.

So you're only going to respond to one of the things i said (and not a direct response) and give ad hominem?

Sorry i just saw low insults about a newbie game that was terrible to even be in. if you want to actually make good conversation then maybe i'll take you semi-seriously.

I said that sounded funny, sorry if it insulted you, but that was completely unrelated to my read (i only mentioned that game in a section i specificly said was not game related). You're avoiding what i'm asking.

Im sorry, am i missing something here, ive replied to almost every serious accusation you've thrown at me. Say it again or link the post. Im failing to see it, maybe im just really stupid....

VOTE: Gob


Been wanting to, no idea why I didn't earlier.

[gob]

gob, do you believe VeeGee is scum or not?

Yes, i do believe he is scum, at this point i believe he noticed that he had fucked up so he decided to go all out and vote me, trying to play it off as just a bad play. Not to mention all the other scummy shit he has done.

[gob]

To go on the opposite side of the spectrum my top town is probably Dessew, he has been providing clarity throughout the game, even if it was for the rolelist. He seems to be pushing the game forward as well as his own reads.

[gob]

What other scummy stuff?

First off his votes are all over the place, he starts to attack vidjay only to lay off immediately when vidjay starts talking more. Though this isnt scummy in itself combine it with the vote on me (no OMGUS) with little explanation besides i offered my own opinion on vidjay.

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yes i am Hachel, and my top town still stands.

[gob]

What other scummy stuff?

First off his votes are all over the place[...]

He's placed exactly two votes outside of the RVS stage, and one of them was immediately retracted. How is that "all over the place"?

To me it just seems odd that he was all about vidjay until i agreed with him.

I also may be biased since ive played 0 votes outside of RVS

[gob]

My reason is that i dont vote. Just how i go bro.

[gob]

@Dessew, gob: what are your reads on each other? Do you still think the other is town what with all the suspicion flying in your general direction?

Is this at me?

I already said i strongly believe Dessew is town.

Anyway, VeeGee is grasping at straws here, "o i wanted to vote him earlier" how is that any justification?

Hershel. Top Town?

[gob]

Im not gonna lie btw, my reads are probably wrong, some of them. But they got the game moving from what i can see.

At this point i think we need to look at VeeGee and Acountant, Acountant's logic just seems off.
VeeGee has 0 logic, i think he was trying to fuck with me by voting me and now he is just doing damage control since he realized he fucked up.

[gob]

OMGUS so hard

[gob]

i think logic was the wrong word to use, for one i think accountant has been flipping so much, trying to look good in public opinion, this could be due to the fact she is inexperienced however.

[gob]

What did she flip on?

me, her read on me. It was explained but FMPOV (and i may be biased) it was very sloppy and kinda broken logic.

[gob]

Im not gonna lie, some of this is my fault but holy shit you guys are so cross-minded, it was amusing and now its just annoying.

I have stated many times why i havent placed a vote outside of RVS, its not my style and i accidentally hammered d1 in my newbie game.
But here, since you guys think this is some GRAND tell of my guiltiness. BTW HopKrirk, im not ignoring your criticisms in the slightest, they are just being asked by others as well, so when i answer them i dont feel the need to repeat myself.

VOTE: VeeGee

[gob]

Cool you're on the trend of thinking im scum, are you going to give any accusation though besides "his lame readlist"

[gob]

Yes i disagree, i stated the newbie game for reasons (the votes and the reads)

The broken logic was that she had flipped so fast, i think its not like her. Especially considering yes, my reads were clear. I already stated that shouldnt have been egotistical.

I am biased, yes, but in my eyes that is a sloppy flip of opinions, especially considering the reads were as she said, clear.
It seems to me that she is just trying to knock me down a peg because she isnt a fan of my ego. I can understand that, but dont let it get into the game any further.

[gob]

One person i want to analyze is Klingoncelt.

Let us start.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

Looks like the Scums are Gob, VeeGee, and Vijay2vasandani.

This is the first really interesting post he makes. He seems to have picked the three most prominent people at the time and say "oh we got scum here"

Klingoncelt is rubbing me the wrong way at the moment, what with a lack of content followed up by a naked vote. Klingon, care to justify?

I don't make large posts.

Gob comes in out of nowhere and makes a weak reads list partially based on post counts. On page 4.

And as Hopkirk pointed out, the exchange between VeeGee and Vijay looks like 2 Scums with no Daychat.

This is, interesting to say the least. And one of the things i would like him to elaborate more on.
My reads list is weak btw, i'll admit that. I was trying to get things moving. (like 50th time i've said this.)

I don't make large posts.

Gob comes in out of nowhere and makes a weak reads list partially based on post counts. On page 4.

And as Hopkirk pointed out, the exchange between VeeGee and Vijay looks like 2 Scums with no Daychat.

And this makes them all confirmed scum? You certainly implied that in your earlier post. Do you have a strong read om them or are you just sheeping Hop?

You're new.

Protip: Unless you hear it from an investigator or the Mod, NO ONE is confirmed.

Those 3 are my strongest reads right now. It's very early in the game, those reads might change before D1 ends.

I can understand this, you are sticking to your word, which is something i have tried to do and i respect it.
However, your word is wrong, at this time i do believe vidjay (and myself lol) are town.

lol kling, sure the reads are early, i even said that. But they are reads, and my reads are usually pretty fucking amazing.

Are you an alt?

If not, where did you play before coming here?

Town of salem forums.

I agree that we need to lynch VeeGee, but we definitely should not hammer early. To be clear, I'm autolynching anybody that quickhammers VeeGee, even if VG turns out to be scum.

That's playing against Town's win condition. It's also narcissistic.

This is just, bare-bones. However, this points to one thing.


Then he calls Accountant a noob, which isnt true imo.

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In the end i believe Klingoncelt is Town. He has done enough to put himself in the lime-light but he is really doing nothing.

[gob]

One person i want to analyze is Klingoncelt.

[...]

In the end i believe Klingoncelt is Town. He has done enough to put himself in the lime-light but he is really doing nothing.

Interesting. Why klingoncelt?

He is someone who i think isnt looked at enough, so i gave his posts a read.
I really hope he posts more, and he stops insulting accountant.

[gob]

Phone post coming, so don't expect anything too detailed. I only had time to briefly skim the thread, but I think I noted down and answered all the questions. If I missed any questions, please re-ask so I can wrap them up.

Gob

Gob is sixteen different kinds of off, and by that I don't mean he's acting conventionally scummy. It's just that my read on him is all over the place. I've seen his games on the Town of Salem forums(under the name "Gobln") and he seems to consistently display a large ego, often asking for protection on night 1.

Town!Gob
- Posted a clear and unambiguous reads list early in the game. I can't imagine that scum would commit to a position so early, especially with such strong opinions.

- Has been transparent in his thinking. If he thinks someone is scum, he doesn't hesitate to say it. Same for townreads.

- I feel that most of the votes on him are weakly supported. This could be mild evidence for scum trying to mislynch an easy target.

Scum!Gob

- Dodged quite a few questions. What does he have to hide?

- Does not seem to be actively pushing a town agenda. When Haschel Cedricson posts, I get a sense that the game is clearer for me, the metaphorical outlines of players slightly sharper. When Gob posts, I'm left scratching my head. I can't think of a single post of his that left me going "yes, this post definitely helps town and is pushing a town agenda".

- Incomprehensibility. Claiming that my logic is off because I flipped reads from "gob is town" to "gob is VI or scum" doesn't really make sense. Reads should be updated as the game goes on, yes? Not to mention his ??? ramble about the setup early in D1 and his claim that his reads are always right(even when presented with evidence they aren't). After that, he claims that his reads list got town moving, although it didn't.

CONCLUSION:
Gob is vanilla townie : 0%
Gob is power role : 5% given his known meta for acting somewhat unbalanced as a PR
Gob is a clueless town member: 40%
Gob is scum: 60%

Gob is most likely VI/scum.

Interesting outlook, i can agree with you and say i havent been acting like i should be. That is why i analyzed Kling.

First off i want everyone who had questions that i ignored to post them again, i skimmed and missed some, i know that, but i am pressed for time and i feel it is better spent retorting the attacks i get and analyzing players.

Secondly, i have to go back and fix my wrong doings, i believe i stated why i think saying "logic" was the wrong choice of words a while back. I would find the post but i am really pressured for time since i have school and shit.

Lastly, my agenda is going to be pushed more, i assure you of that, i am going to better manage my time.

PS: Yes, my name on the Town Of Salem Forums is "Gobln"
And no, i wont be as big of a dick as i am on there. I promise.

[gob]

I detest wallposts.

You're going to like me half the time and hate me half the time!

Hey gob, give me a four-or-five-word read on the following players: stoz, texcat, Accountant.

VeeGee, you may do this as well.

stoz: Town read, he is very helpful in his 9 posts and i can tell he is reading the game and keeping up.
I think his posts like #208 really show he is on the town side of things.

texcat: scum read, if we look at posts like #198 it shows her trying to twist my words. She has never crossed paths with anyone besides me or accountant really (outside of RVS)

Accountant: Town, i think my quick statement of accusing her of OMGUS was wrong before. She has been trying to better town in a way that is apparent, however, there is one thing i want to note.

She hardly took a stance on me in her large wall-text post.

i can understand that its day 1 and all but i really find this interesting as i thought the post itself was interesting but her final statements did not leave clarity on her stance.

[gob]

your final reads were nearly 50/50 (it was 40/60)

That is not clarifying that is sitting on the fence. Im not fucking around.

[gob]

Why are you so upset about me calling you out?
Do you have something you're trying to hide?

I clearly stated that you were town, but mentioned that you were fence-sitting (to a degree)
You made it seem like you were giving a statement but in the end you simply said "They are town or mafia"

It was more of a suggestion for your future posts.

[gob]

Im not calling your reads bad dude, but if you were town you would have straight up stated in the clear that "gob is mafia" not be wishy washy about it.

[gob]

Because mafia love to fence sit. This is Mafia 101 come on dude.
No matter how you look at it, you cant blame me for calling you out.

[gob]

Sorry about the formatting, a bit busy. Doesn't affect the content though.

Gob
“BTW HopKrirk, im not ignoring your criticisms in the slightest, they are just being asked by others as well, so when i answer them i dont feel the need to repeat myself.”
If I don’t think my questions have been answered then I’m not unvoting.

(Gob) 242: This is just weird. He goes through several of klingon’s posts, and says literally nothing positive. He ends with
“In the end i believe Klingoncelt is Town. He has done enough to put himself in the lime-light but he is really doing nothing.”.
This does not sound like a reason for a townread.
Then look at 256.
“texcat: scum read, if we look at posts like #198 it shows her trying to twist my words. She has never crossed paths with anyone besides me or accountant really (outside of RVS)”
Why did he make a case for a townread instead of a scumread that he claimed to have? Why not even mention the scumread until asked?
“but if you were town you would have straight up stated in the clear that "gob is mafia" not be wishy washy about it.”
“Because mafia love to fence sit. This is Mafia 101 come on dude.”
This is a misrep.

well yes that is some terrible formatting.

I am guessing you are seeing something i dont see for kling since his town has been so blatant in his dickish-ness.
You cannot deny that fact.
Add that onto the other things i said and its kinda clear he is VT not giving a shit.

[gob]

Because mafia love to fence sit. This is Mafia 101 come on dude.
No matter how you look at it, you cant blame me for calling you out.

Mafia don't fence sit much on this site.

And that is why i gave her a town read, still. I just wanted to mention it.

[gob]

I also am not feeling too well, tomorrow i am going to review the thread more and contribute.

[gob]

Is this standard terminology on those other forums you mentioned? gob, can you confirm/deny?

Yes it is. The ToS forums are a bit weird.

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Anyway, i also feel like Accountant is fishing a bit for my role (see the comments about me being PR and such), despite that and the fencesitting i still view her a town, but that view is slowly getting changed.

I would also like Constaines reads as he seems to be shitposting now.

[gob]

I am here, still a bit under the weather and quite busy with school.

I plan to post full thoughts in the next day or too.

[gob]

Hopkrik, i've read the read, and maybe its cause im stupid as shit but i cannot see your questions anywhere.

Repost them if you want me to take you seriously and answer them

[gob]

Alright thank you Dessew.

Anyway, i have 100% with VeeGee on this, vijay2's posts seem to be pulled out of his ass or half-assed. With that said however, i

do not

think he is scum at this time (and i doubt VeeGee thinks that either), his posts arent exactly ones that would slide under the radar.
Though i really wish he would actually give more of a shit here.

This makes no sense at all. You agree with Veegee about not liking Vijay's tone, and then that makes him town, and also instead of asking Veegee what exactly he meant or didn't like, you're just going to assume he's not scumreading Vijay. And then the next day you make your readslist (94) and there you seem to be scumreading Veegee for something that happened in 71 which was before you agreed with Veegee. Other than that you call Hopkirk town and Trivium your first scumread. What do you mean by 'first scumread'? All the other reads are not even reads, but you trying to post something so you'll look like you thought things through.
You say you are trying to move the game forward, but how about asking questions to find out why players are doing something? That would be more helpful then posting a weird readslist where you barely take a stance. Hopkirk is a boring townread and Trivium, iirc, is also quiet so you're doing

exactly

what you were accusing Veegee of.
242 Players have asked you why you think Veegee and Accountant are scum, but you decide to take a look at Klingon's iso out of nowhere. Flippant much yourself? Or just trying to get people to focus on someone else besides you?
Gob isn't shy about outing townreads, however with some of them he finds something to add that gives an opening later to change his mind on said townread. Like calling Accountant town, but also bringing up she's fence-sitting and rolefishing. And I really don't like his tone towards Hopkirk, since he was townreading him. I'd think Gob as town would be more cooperative with a townread.

I'm pretty sure my vote is going here but I want to read some more iso's so will hold off voting for now.

I'll stop you at the beginning, i said multiple times i agreed with veegee on

vidjay's tone

but i read it differently. Veegee read it as a Scum read while i read it as a Town read. I stated this multiple times. It makes plenty of sense, Vidjay (at the time) had a bored tone, making me think he was just a VT that wasnt enjoying the game.

[gob]

*snip*
I'll stop you at the beginning, i said multiple times i agreed with veegee on

vidjay's tone

but i read it differently. Veegee read it as a Scum read while i read it as a Town read. I stated this multiple times. It makes plenty of sense, Vidjay (at the time) had a bored tone, making me think he was just a VT that wasnt enjoying the game.

Ehm no, you said you didn't see it as scum and 'doubted Veegee did either' so you are backtracking. Also the 'bored VT' is the first time you use it on Vijay, there is nothing earlier that points to you thinking that about Vijay.

I do not believe this is the first time i referred to Vidjay as a VT. I could be mistaken but i have very much thought it most of day 1. I doubted VeeGee saw it as scum, but as shown later, s/he did.

What are your thoughts on vidjay? in full.

[gob]

You need to look at context, i dont think he looks like a bored VT now, i think he fixed his play up. But i think he did, and if you dont, im surprised.

[gob]

@gob: I don't agree he ever looked bored, maybe I should have been here following it in real-time. Where did Vijay stop looking bored to you?

Going to continue iso's now.

Around post #113, but now re-reading it does seem like he was caring a bit more before, but back in real time he seemed to care less than others.

[gob]

@gob: What are your thoughts on the other things I said about Vijay?

I think Vidjay is town, im more concerned about what VeeGee said.

i thought i already replied to this tbh, i said after re-reading he looked less bored than he did real time, i think him avoiding me is very suspicious however.

[gob]

I think Vidjay is town

is very suspicious however

Pick one.

LOL i am picking one, thats why i said town. I cant deny he has been suspicious, but i still believe he is town.

[gob]

Okay Hopkrik

@post 151
I already stated my reads were bad, lol.

@Post 271
I was not aware that mafia did not fence-sit on this site, i was mis-informed.

With that said im going to guess "tone" means nothing to you, or you just like to pretend the word doesnt exist.

@308
"Secondly, most of your post is implying I think Klingon is scum. I’ve said I think she’s town, instead of referencing what I actually said- about your read looking inconsistent with your reasoning, you try and misrepresent me."

Well when someones formatting is so fucking terrible its hard to tell when you're talking to me or someone else. Fix it before you criticize me.

[gob]

151- got bored, wanted to move the game forward

271-On accountant? yes my read changed.

308- im still failing to see a question i havent answered yet.

[gob]

151- got bored, wanted to move the game forward

271-On accountant? yes my read changed.

308- im still failing to see a question i havent answered yet.

151- Obviously you didn't just make reads with dice. I don't see the town logic behind the reads you made here.
271/308- To be clear: What's your read of Klingon now, and how did you get a result of town from your case?

dice?

271/308- I believe at this time Klingon is town, his tone has been normal and he seems to be pushing the game forward decently, he had a naked vote on me and frankly, i think that was incredibly towny.

[gob]

Salamance, why did you hate accountants post so much?

(Anything else to add?)

[gob]

Wow, that is an interesting catch between Vidjay and Accountant, with that said, i do think Vidjay is town.

HOWEVER Accountants scummy-ness is something i do not want to gloss-over.

UNVOTE:

Not gonna vote yet since (i think it might be a hammer?)

[gob]

VOTE: Accountant

So i quickly skimmed some posts from both Vidjay and Accountant, i do not think there is a strong bond between them, compared to something like VeeGee and Accountant, which to me, looks like late-day distancing.

There is a connection between them, dont get me wrong.

[gob]

VOTE: Accountant

So i quickly skimmed some posts from both Vidjay and Accountant, i do not think there is a strong bond between them, compared to something like VeeGee and Accountant, which to me, looks like late-day distancing.

There is a connection between them, dont get me wrong.

So you think I'm distancing from someone who was voting my slot for most of this Day?

yes.

Also, man i've been busy recently.

Accountant seems to be grasping at straws with her defense, and i cant say this wasnt expected.

[gob]

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

Cant deny the scum-reads here though the wide majority came from VeeGee, seems to me like you havent been pushing the agenda VeeGee had in mind which makes me believe you're doing damage-control on his part.

[gob]

woah okay guess a wagon is on me now

So you think I'm distancing from someone who was voting my slot for most of this Day?

yes.

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Really funny how this game is going, all i see is Fitz targeting me with no reason over and over again, yet nobody gets on him.

[gob]

also sorry for inactivity lots of shit going down irl right now (i got tenosynovitis) im going to be improving it however.

[gob]

Havingfitz continues to say "vote gob vote gob" but nothing els.e

[gob]

I am here.

I am Cop.

Do not lynch i am catching up tonight!

[gob]

LMAO I GOT CARRIED


Thank youuu