Mini 493: Methodical Mafia - Game Over!

[Glork]

I'd lynch you a dozen times over before I lynched BMQ.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Now why do you want to lynch me all of a sudden? Or do you mean Xdaamno?

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Cogito Ergo Sum: 1 (Mr. Flay)
BrianMcQueso: 1 (CES)
Xdaamno: 1 (Glork)

Not voting: Erg0, distad, BrianMcQueso, VitaminR, Nocmen, Simenon, Xdaammo

10 alive means

6

votes to lynch!

[distad]

Vote: VitaminR

[Simenon]

Vote Mr Flay

I think I see what you're doing here.[/b]

[Simenon]

"Vigilante" is also the classic SK claim, and I'm not sure how certain a gambit it is.

Then again, a one-shot seems sort of odd for this game as well, so I'd be content with a vig-lynch target of LML.

LoudmouthLee - Nightwatchman - Randomly slain night 1

I'm willing to bet Flay = sk

[Mr. Flay]

Eh? Context is everything; we were talking about what target to send a hypothetical vig-kill after. I never claimed to be said "vigilante", so your case seems to be built on a house of cards. If you've got more to it, lay it our, rather than cherry-picked quotes.

[Simenon]

You missed the point.

[Mr. Flay]

"lay it out", rather. And please do so.

[VitaminR]

Vote: Mr. Flay

, though I don't particularly subscribe to the SK theory.

[Simenon]

I think yesterday you were setting yourself up to claim vig- however, the flavor suggests that the kill on LML was done not by a good methodical townie but by a mean evil man.

[Simenon]

Or rather, take protown credit for the kill of LML.

[Erg0]

For the purposes of this discussion, I'm assuming that the "random" killer is an SK, and will continue to do so until I have a good reason to think otherwise.

It does look like the SK was trying to set themselves up for a vig claim, though that's obviously out the window now due to the flavour text. However, I can also see why an SK would want LML dead for other reasons, given that LML's role would allow him to discover said SK. Having been involved in the vig discussion on day 1 is a weak tell at best, I think.

On "random": it's entirely possible that random just means non-methodical, not truly random. That this killer doesn't prepare his kills may just be a representation of the fact that he makes a last-minute decision on who to bump off.

Random thought: is it possible that the random killer is a mod device, perhaps the afore-mentioned incentive not to claim?

[VitaminR]

CES, could you get on the Mr. Flay wagon, please?

Thank you.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No.

I don't feel it has merit.

On "random": it's entirely possible that random just means non-methodical, not truly random. That this killer doesn't prepare his kills may just be a representation of the fact that he makes a last-minute decision on who to bump off.

That's what I had assumed, personally. I very strongly doubt Stoofs would introduce a random role element, especially one so important to the game.

Random thought: is it possible that the random killer is a mod device, perhaps the afore-mentioned incentive not to claim?

Technically, yes, but the possibility is negligible practically speaking. There's no reason to jump to such a conclusion.

[VitaminR]

No.

I don't feel it has merit.

Okay. Why?

[distad]

I read the "random" kill as non-methodical/non-planned, also.

VitaminR, why do you want to create a Flay wagon? You already said that you don't subscribe to the SK theory.

Unvote, Vote: Glork

I'm surprised that you're attacking Xdaamno for his comment. Weren't you surprised to see a "random" kill? I didn't expect to see that. It seemed to me that Xd was questioning the exact wording of the flavor.

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote: CES, Vote: VitaminR

for hypocritical bandwagoning. I don't mind votes

per se

, I do mind crap-logic.

[VitaminR]

Erm... what crap-logic?

[VitaminR]

VitaminR, why do you want to create a Flay wagon? You already said that you don't subscribe to the SK theory.

I said yesterday that I was going to vote Mr. Flay. It has nothing to do with Simenon's SK theory.

1. I didn't like his belligerence towards LML.
2. I didn't like the way he asked the town how to proceed.
3. (I haven't mentioned this one yet, but I do think it's important), there was this exchange of posts:

If vanilla townies don't have any lists to make, then his theory can't make sense (And they don't).

Argh! Could we STOP with the claims please???

I didn't think Xdaamno's post necessarily implied a claim. Mr. Flay's response makes me suspicious, because 1) the outrage seems put on and 2) it takes away from that uncertainty.

[Glork]

Now why do you want to lynch me all of a sudden? Or do you mean Xdaamno?

No. I said I'd lynch you a dozen times before I lynched BMQ. All it means is that I don't suspect BMQ as much as I suspect you. You're performing stuntman-like conclusion jumping.

I read the "random" kill as non-methodical/non-planned, also.

VitaminR, why do you want to create a Flay wagon? You already said that you don't subscribe to the SK theory.

Unvote, Vote: Glork

I'm surprised that you're attacking Xdaamno for his comment. Weren't you surprised to see a "random" kill? I didn't expect to see that. It seemed to me that Xd was questioning the exact wording of the flavor.

Yes, I was surprised to see a "random" kill. However, saying "Wow, I didn't expect there to be a random kill! This sucks!" is not going to accomplish anything at all. There's a reason that comments like "Good job Doc," "That was a bad night," and the like are scumtells -- they give the appearance of caring about the town's state of being without doing anything. Place a vote, pick a fight, make an observation that is actually

relevant to finding scum

. Don't say "aw, this sucks."
(

FoS: Flay

, by the way. I somehow missed his post in which he did the exact same thing.)

I'd like you to answer these two questions, Distad:
1) Would you get any information whatsoever if I typed "A RANDOM KILL???"
2) Would you expect somebody to come into the thread and go "oh, I thought that would happen" (as you seem to be implying that I claim to have expected a random kill)?




I think I could subscribe to VitR's Reason #3 for suspecting Flay, but I'm not sold on the other two yet. I would also point out that I don't think Xdaamno claimed anything (as the reasonable assumption for a vanilla townie is that they'd have no list to make). I could see Flay's reaction as fishing for confirmation or denial of Xdaamno's "claimed" role.

[Erg0]

I often use the tell that Glork refers to as a basis for an early vote, but it rarely carries through to a lynch without further evidence. Of course, evidence comes through pressure...

Vote: Xdaamno

FoS: Mr Flay

, pending his response to VitR's response to him.

[distad]

No, I wouldn't get any info from either...

However, his "Randomly Slain?" isn't NEARLY on the same level as "Good job, doc!" One is pro-town, the other is an overt expression of surprise with no bias toward either town or scum. It's just an observation.

That's why I think this is blown out of proportion.

[Erg0]

Yes, but as Glork said it's a post for the sake of posting - trying to appear pro-town without actually saying anything helpful.

[distad]

Perhaps, but with SOOO many pages full of that stuff already, I for one didn't make much of that one.

I mean, it's not an over-the-top townie post, and it's among the first few posts of the day. If it were a "nothing" post mid-day, I'd be suspicious. But an observant post at the top of a day that doesn't reek of "trying to be town" doesn't set off any of my alarms.